Moving anywhere with no money can be a pretty daunting tasks. Moving to a state like California can seem downright impossible if you do not have any money.
One of the more popular ways people come to this site is looking for information on how to move to California if you have no money. I have actually never blogged about this, I blogged about the advantages California has as a place to live, but I think it is a pretty interesting idea so I decided to actually write a blog post about it.
First let me say I think it is impossible to move anywhere with absolutely zero money. There are just cost associated with any move so you are going to need some amount of money, even if it is just to pay for the bus ride here. So rather than talk about moving to California with absolutely no money, I am going to talk about what would be the absolute cheapest way to get and live here.
I also want to address one other issue. Are you sure you want to move here? I have left and come back to California three different times so I am well aware of the advantages of living here. If you are planning on moving here with no money, it seems you are pretty desperate to move here and are probably running away from something not running to California. While I love living here, I have lived in many other places and would say that most places are livable. It is a much better idea to continue to live in your current area, save some money, and move to California when you have some means than to try and move here with nothing. Moving to California will not be some sort of magical cure that fixes all of life’s problems. In fact, moving here with no money will cause you a lot of problems that will probably be worse than almost anything you are now facing. It may not seem like it, but being broke in an expensive place to live is no fun either.
If you are still set on moving to California, keep reading. Be prepared to leave everything behind. I do mean everything. If you really have no money to move to California, you do not have the money to haul your stuff over here either. Not having stuff means you can save on moving cost and you can have a smaller place. It also means you can sell all your stuff and raise some money to actually get here. Put all your stuff on sale on Craigslist. If you own the computer you are reading this on, you should put it up for sale. If you own an iPod, you should put it up for sale. You might not get a great deal for your stuff but it will put money in your pocket and that is the most important thing right now.
So now you have nothing to burden you down and you (hopefully) have at least a few bucks in your pocket. The very first thing you have to worry about is not getting here but where you are going to live when you get here. This is your biggest problem. You have to have somewhere to live. It is not OK to come here and go live on the street. If at all possible, you want to find a temporary place to live that will not cost you anything. Why? Because to get a place to live you have to have a job. But to get a job, you often have to have a place to live. It is a vicious catch-22. Find or make a friend here that you can crash on their couch for a while. Find a long lost relative who might be willing to put you up for at least a month. Whatever it takes, you need to find a place where you can live for very very little money. This likely has to be with someone you know because no landlord is going to take you in with no job. Your only other alternative is to find a place where you can live week to week. There are many motels that you can do this at, but it is not going to be a pleasant, or even cheap option. If you can find somewhere you can live rent free, your life is going to be MUCH MUCH easier. Rent is by far the biggest expense that you cannot avoid. Eliminating this as an expense means you can go much longer on a lot less money.
An alternative is to scour the classifieds for work that will provide housing. This is often the case with nanny type positions. While looking after kids might not be your ideal job, it is better than living in the street. If you are desperate enough to move here without money than even the thought of looking after someone else’s kids should not scare you.
The next order of business is to get a job. If you have no money and no job options, it does not matter what type of job you get. Even if you are going to have to take minimum wage, do it. You need to have cash flow. You are in no position to hold out for just the right job. You have no money and are probably bumming off of people so swallow your pride and take what you can get. If the job pays minimum wage than it will not be a big deal to leave the job once you line up something else. But under no circumstances should you continue without a job. Even a minimum wage job at 30 hours a week will put about $200 in your pocket. That’s nothing to sneeze at when you have nothing.
Spend on nothing but the necessities. There are only so many things you actually need. You need to have a roof over your head but you should have taken care of that by now. You need to have food. That is pretty much it. Anything else, you need to cut out from your life. Contrary to popular belief, you do not need a car. I know people in California who get by just fine, albeit inconveniently, on public transportation. Cars are expensive to maintain. You need to do repairs, pay for gas, pay for registration, and pay for insurance. This is not an option if you have no money. If you have a car, you should have already sold it by now to raise money. You do not need to have cable TV. You do not need to have a cell phone (you do need somewhere that you can be reached if you are looking for a job). You do not need internet access. Almost anything you think you need can either be cut or obtained some other way (use the internet at the local library). If something is not actually helping you to survive you do not need it.
After you have secured a job, you need to find a better job. You need to spend every waking hour doing something toward this goal. You should be searching job sites, fixing your resume, or obtaining skills or knowledge that will help you find a job. Searching for a job is a full time job. If you are not spending 40 hours a week doing it, you are not trying hard enough. This plus your day job means you are just working 80 hours a week. That is no big deal. Just do it.
While this plan may sound unpleasant or even frightening it can be done. My strong advice is to still not do it. If you can hold out, not move, and save money you should be doing that.

Could be worse… you could be moving to New York with no money. I’ve had friends who did to pursue careers in the theatre. What’s worse is there’s not that much money in that business, but I guess if they’re doing what they love…
No because New Yorkers are SLIGHTLY more accommodating about extended couch-surfing from strangers than Californians are. You make friends with couches faster in New York than in California. Just slightly, though. And by “New York” I mean the OUTER boroughs and the suburbs, not Manhattan.
hi people im really looking to move to california or new york as im sik of enlgand it has nothing to offer and i have always wnated to live in america sinse i was a little boy now i have read all the above and its hard but im willing to do all the above if some1 can gladly give me a helpin hand to get me off my feet i can afford to get over there and pay rent for a month or something till i get sorted
would be amazing if i could get over there to be honest
I currently live in Augusta Maine and am looking to move to California LA area this spring, it would be nice to move with someone and split cost and possibly be roommates, I am 32 years old single white make, college graduate and 8 year Air Force Veteran. We have time to chat exchange FB pages and see if we click. I have lived there before and not a day goes by that I don’t want to be back there. So if you are Dreaming of California like I am and want to move send me an email and we can go from there. travis.vigue@yahoo.com
I am getting out of KY ASAP, I will have $5,000 to move with. I am thinking of selling everything and flying with my Yorkie. I am thinking of the Santa Clara area and looking for a job in Mountainview at Apple or Google and if all else fails, I have my Mtg. & Real Estate Experience to fall back on. If I don’t get a change in life and I mean now, this month, I am going to go crazy! What part of CA is everyone headed? LA?
Hi Carrie,
I am also going to move to California..most likely LA area or the outskirts.. i heard that the traffic in LA is horrible.. I plan on moving sometime in the spring.
Linda
Hi, I want to move to the LA area in California.. Anyone leaving from the Boston Area what to split cost to go out there sometime in the Spring or late Spring of 2013?
Email me at lbarogianis@verizon.net
Hope to hear from you!
Hello carrie my name is Kerry guarino I seen your post on the site moving to california with out money blog,and I am moving to california at the begainning of Fed. I live in mississippi and hate it here, I really don’t have a family and I have no parents I am 27 in school online at a great university for Business mgt. I lived in Cali for 3 months in 2006 after Hurricane Katrina it was awsome everything they say it was,anyways i have a uncle that I will be staying near yet not at his house because him and his wife are on the break of a divorce but I am just looking to make new friends yet my living arrangements will be very hard at first but I plan on becomming a body builder there I am looking for friends there because i will be alone and have no one..fell free to message me on face book kerry guarino my pic will be the one of me in the gym
My uncle lives in Santa Clara so i will be near there also
Hello all! To anyone that is interested, I am very supportive of people up and leaving their current living situation to experience something new, different, exciting, and/or purposeful. I have a one bedroom apartment with little furniture and would be willing to have some strangers/guests lol come live with me temporarily! I wish you all the best and God Bless you. Sincerely, Pernisha!
Ps. I’m in Inglewood California by Ladera Heights, Culver City, Westchester! I also have an add on craigslist where you can view pics (Los Angeles Area, Awesoom Roommate wanted $750/month)- disregard the add.
Hi, my name is Rahshena. I am 20 years old and from Michigan. I’ve been saving up money for about 3 years now. I really want to start a new life out there but my family keeps saying that Cali is no place for a young girl with no family. Im really scared but I really want to move there. Its been my dream. Im currently a sophomore at my local community college. Can anyone please give me words of advice? Pleaseeeee.
Hello all! To anyone that is interested, I am very supportive of people up and leaving their current living situation to experience something new, different, exciting, and/or purposeful. I have a one bedroom apartment with little furniture and would be willing to have some strangers/guests lol come live with me temporarily! I wish you all the best and God Bless you. Sincerely, Pernisha! Ps. I’m in Inglewood California by Ladera Heights, Culver City, Westchester! I also have an add on craigslist where you can view pics (Los Angeles Area, Awesome Female Roommate Wanted $750/month)- disregard the ad.
Hi, I just read your post. I am planning to up and leave my situation In Philadeplia to experience a ne place. I dont have much and would be willing to do what I can to help. I am a electricin by trade and I hope to find a job. If you are truly willing to let someone crash for a bit I would be interested. Please reply for more details. Thanks
Hello I am Erika A 29 year oldwoman soon I willbe 30 and I will be arriving to los angeles in late August and I need help with housing so please email me back at justice2302003@yahoo.com. I am moving to los angeles because I amnot making it in a small rural southern town in which I ama big city girl. I am considered a yankee in which I have college education and california is the perfect place for a single educated woman pursuing her dreams. I am quiet,clean, and fun to hang out with when my work is done. I amgearing towards looking for work at the California department of justice as a criminlolgist
I live in B.C Canada I have always wanted to live in Cali… Is it very tough to move from here these days. My family has friends that moved there in the mid 90′s they are successful musicians there now. I am an artist my son is 7 now but I want to save and move in a few years. I think the Nanny idea is very good. Can any one comment on the journey coming from Canada!?!!!
my name is nick yates I live in Winston salem North Carolina.
I have facebook, my facebook email is whiteboywondernick@yahoo.com
Rahshena – Just wondering if you went ahead with the move. I am also from Michigan, and I’m 25 and work for my local community college
I am planning on heading to California by July, and just wondered if you’d done it yet and how it was going for you. I don’t know where in MI you are, but I’m more than willing to team up with some other people who are interested in the move and in my same situation. It helps to know people!!
New York would actually be WAY easier, considering their high wages and the cheapest rent in the US!
You obviously haven’t looked at the job situation or the rent here, its not good… NY is NOT an easy place to live by any stretch of the imagination
Hi my name is keela. I’m 22, soon to be college graduate taking online courses and looking to move to the LA area, California. I would like to find someone to split cost. my email is keela-amazing@hotmail.com
I just found your blog today while searching “what type of californian am I.” I am delighted to know that you also invest. I literally just started investing a month ago. I am looking forward to exploring “Cali” a little more before I make the move, but what can you tell me about Desert Palms? The place seems absolutely breathetaking.
Carolina Girl
Do you mean Palm Desert by Palm Springs? If so, I think it is a great place to visit but I don’t know if I would want to live there. It is hot as hell in the summer and can be pretty cold in the winter. Of all of the places to live in California, I honestly think San Diego has the most to offer. Close to the beaches, great weather year round, close to lots of things to do, and a place that actually has decent jobs.
Best of luck to you if you decide to move to california. I’ve left and come back three times, so I think i know all the reasons it is great to live here.
terrence im kevin im from puerto rico! i want to move to california cause i want to get the hell out of here. but im a little bit afraid because i would be moving by myself i dont know anyone i have some savings thats it. what do you think i have to do? im moving with my girlfriend but we dont know where to go. we want to find a job, we want an affordable place to live. please help me
Don’t go to California.
No work, very expensive.
A VERY UNFRIENDLY place.
If you want to go to a warm place, try Arizona, Texas, or the Southeast.
DONT move to Arizona, You’ll meet the most rude, nastiest people on the planet. its scotching hot here too. It’s cheap to live yes, but there is not shit for jobs also. ALSO, the jobs you DO get pay you close to dirt. so honestly, dont take Tom smith’s advise unless you’re some college graduate with an amazing resume and you know some one and pretty much guaranteed a position.. otherwise this dump sucks.
Warm place? CLEARLY, you mean in terms of temperature. No matter where you’re going, it’s going to be tough PR. You’re relocating COUNTRIES. You’re going to have to take a good portion of this blogger’s advice. Be prepared, save money and do your research as far as cost of living and jobs!!!
I’m looking to move somewhere else too! It’s a scary proposal, for a second, but not for too long if you know what you want and have a well studied plan on how you will achieve it. A little faith, a little smarts.
kevin your the same as me im scared but i want to take the next step in life lets do it togeather
Kevin AND Daniel… I am planning on going at the end of January when I get my taxes. So if you guys want, you are more than welcome to tag along with me =)
San Diego “actually has decent jobs”.
Huh?
There’s no work in San Diego, never has been.
Dear Terrence,
Boy, did you hit the nail on the head! I am on the east coast, and want/need to run as far away from here as I can. And I want sun. Lots of sun. Sunshine & pleasent weather is the only luxury I can afford. This isn’t a rash decision, I’ve been thinking about it for over a year, after hearing people who lived there complain that there’s nothing to do in LA except enjoy the weather & farmer’s markets and flea markets (unless you’re famous, then there’s more to do.) All I want is the weather (and the distance from my family is a bonus. Big bonus.)
What would say is the minimum one should save prior to moving to CA? How difficult would you say employment will be? I am almost 3 semesters shy of a BA, and my resume includes hospitality, sales, and clerical work.
Nothing is beneth me–I’ll wash floors, dishes, take out trash, ANYTHING… I just want to have a roof over my head and occasionally eat.
In your opinion, will I be homeless? (That is not preferable.)
Thanks for any advice/comment you can offer.
Melissa,
Thanks for leaving a comment. I can’t tell you what to do, only you know your what is driving you to make such a big move in your life.
I love L.A. I think it is a great place to live. Like I said, I’ve left and come back three different times. There is more to do here than what you wrote about. I think there is more to do here than any other place I’ve lived and I’ve lived in all parts of the country.
But your situation sounds challenging. I do not recommend people move here and just take whatever job they can get. Having a bad job will set the tone for the rest of your life. My life is particularly good because I got my education and got a great job. Having a decent and well-paying job makes life just so much easier while having a dead-end job will hurt you in more ways than you can imagine.
So I would finish your eduction out and look for a good paying job before you come here. The California economy is a mess right now, and there is no guarantee you will find a job, even a bad job, if you move here with nothing.
How many times did you move and come back?
I think he said three…if he even mentioned it…
i don’t think having a bad job will set a tone for the rest of one’e life, the main fact should be the determination of the person, because every successful man will always have a story to tell of the past, it’s a phenomenon that is mend to be
If having a bad job sets a bad tone for the rest of your life, then the majority of Americans are doomed.
Well my name is charles I’m 20 and I live in Jackson,mississsippi I’m try to move to Cali I have family out there,but they really act like they don’t have room for me.So I’m try to find a place to stay in LA ,I plan on moving on my birthday june 11, I will be 21 .So if someone can give a helping hand I would be Greatful Thanks U Can Also Hit Up On Facebook At Cj Randle Or My Email charlesrandle44@yahoo.com
Hey Melissa, are you in California yet!?
I want move to california because i can and im sick of my everyday life and im in the mood for a adventure.
Terrance do you think my success rate will be good if i have 2k saved?
2K with 3 more zeros behind it and you should be good for a bit… 2K good for about 2 weeks
LOL!!!
What if we just got group of us to do it together? I feel it would be much easier with people in the same situation!
Mike
I agree! Get a great place! Getting a group together. I have the new car, Chrysler 200 hardtop convertible. Transportation taken care of.
Eliz I agree!!! I live In the absolute worst town in Ohio and I cannot stand it any longer.. I’m absolutely willing to sell everything I own and just pack up and leave for the sunshine. Me and my friend are trying to make the move together, but we agree it would be much much easier to make the trip as a group. Split gas ect.. Seeing as how you have a new car and your in rhode island you could just swing through Ohio and pick us up
haha. Anyways if anyone is actually serious about this shoot me an email!! Seaggtastic09@hotmail.com
Are you guys still planning this?! Because I am definitely down. Although I am planning to have about 5k saved up for the move and I do have a car.
I live in Seattle, WA. Nearly as expensive as Southern CA but with the WORST WEATHER EVER! My email is haileyjay206@yahoo.com contact me anytime. I would love to hear from anyone interested and make it happen!
Aaron,
I live in the worst town in Ohio as well, what part are you from? I’ve been wanting to make the move to Cali for as long as I can remember! Problem is, no one I know wants to go with me and I have no connections once I get there! I’m also short on savings. Have you made the move yet? If so, any advice would be appreciated! If you haven’t, maybe we could talk about getting that group together? Shoot me an email! katiehansen13@aol.com
I plan on moving to Cali. Is anyone still grouping??? I’m sick of Florida! There’s nothing here for me. I plan to pursue my career in LA. I’m willing to give up everything for it. Grouping is the best idea!
Hi Guys,
I am moving out to San Bernadino California at the end of January from Prescott Arizona. I have about 5k saved up to get a place with once I get out there and would love it if anyone wanted to come try it out with me. I know a few ppl out there already and have been putting in resumes for work already. if interested email me at msnikkivalentine@gmail.com
Hello im 27 from mississippi I am going to move to california in the next few weeks. The reaon i am moving there is there is nothing for me here in ms i am in school online for business mgt I don’t really have any family and I want to better myself,also i want to try to become a bodybuilder there and there is just so much more there, i lived there for 3 months 4 years ago loved it. I just want some one there like friends or this group thing sounds fun i have a few thousand saved hit me up kerryguarino5@yahoo.com
I Just. moved from Cali to Florida, lived in Florida for a year, then moved.2 Georgia where in at now. I def will be headed back to. California possibly after summer. If u are legit i have connects there i lived there For 18years getting ready to go back. If ur interested in Grouping up to make it cheaper to travel & live then heres my e. hell_destroyer_007@yahoo.com.
I am in a similar situation ,,,need to be with a group for a while….email me,
Anaconda, may I be a part of your group? I’ve sent you an email!
Angel when are you planning on going to California and where abouts do you want to go?
NIKKI, I’m planning on moving up there around mid-summer!
Hey Angel. I will be going towards the end of January beginning of Feb….so when you decide you are ready to head out, hit me up, and if I have managed to make something for myself out there by summer I will totally help you =)
Nikki, that would be wonderful.. Stay in touch with me and let me know how it goes. We can definitely help each other out. Is there an email or social network site that I can contact you at?
So do we form this California bound group for information and help each other out?
Any idea’s how to do this?
yeah im making a roster of people who. are interested but dont have regrets once you move i have a legit plan.I have lived in Cali for 18years. I’ll def need everyones contact info email. & cell # if you want. I will most likely send. out the rosters by the send of this summer. People will need time to pack & travel. Im in charge of this Operation so I’ll. need everyones cooperation,we are all adults. there will be NO BS,scammers, criminals,con artist, I may even have to backround check you if i think your a lier. thank you hell_destroyer_0007@yahoo.com
Has the roster been made for people who want to do this?!
Let me in on the group!
You guys are awesome to try and work out a grouping situation lol!
I’m interested in hearing some success stories…
I’m planning on moving to LA, seeking a room mate
I have always thought about moving to the west coast! I may or may not have a job when I get there, but I feel like it’s now or maybe never. Considering a roommate is a option for me … Maybe we can talk to see if we can help each other to emabark upon this new adventure!
I am a single mother (well I will be after my divorce) with a 13 year old son. I want to go to grad school in Santa Barbara. I’m saving up and need a place to crash until I can get a job and an apartment.
All we need is a room…please let me know if anyone has a room available.
I’m a single mom with a 14 year old son and looking for another single mom to share an apartment or home with. I plan to move to Cali in June from New York. I love New York, but missing sunshine.
Love Others…I need contact info so we can talk. For some reason it won’t let reply to your post.
A mother living in a room with a 13 year old son is child abuse…
Hello,
Did you do it? I am looking to do the same. I have a brand new car paid off and many things I could sell. I also think sharing it with someone else could help cut cost! I am going to look for that.
Hey, I am going to do this with serving job to start, in September. I am going with 4-5K, a college degree and a smile. I want to move west because I am miserable in Chicago. Work is so hard to find here, because the competition is steep. Not only are the natives here, but so is everyone from Detroit/Michigan. Its flat and boring, and a drinkers town. I am not very successful professionally here and born and raised! I work 2 jobs to get my bills paid, I can be doing the same thing in Cali away from the scene here in Chicago. Its just too much, San Diego has such a better pace, landscape and appeal for me. If san diego doesn’t work, I am just going to try Oregon, Colorado or something right after. I am ready for the adventure, So why not go, I think with a part time job lined up and a 2 months worth of bills, I will be okay. I do not live extravagantly and know how to land jobs to make ends meet, I have been doing it for 30 years. :/ Cali here I come? Wouldn’t you do the same??? I have doubts everyday, but something saying …if i have a mini plan..that should do. nothing to lose.
people moaning ect about where they live. please try living in skegness uk if no1 nos where it is :p so horrible cold all year round apart from a few days. i am 22 years old due for my second child and wanting to move to cali but really dont no where to start as u heard a sec ago i have 2 children a partner. not alot saved up but will continue saving until the day i move. im just wantin to no what is it i need to move??? could we if we had the money just go? or do you have to go through lots of crap ie courts ect to get a visa as i dont no iv heard so many different storys on this stuff its just confusing me more each time all i want is out of the uk an sun sun sun :p any advise peeps????
x
Hey Melissa,
Have you moved already? I’m sure you’ve made the decision by now.
I’m tossing the same idea in my head…but I see I’m a few years slacked compared to all the other posts here. If you’re not gone or haven’t jumped ship on the idea yet, maybe we can be roommates =) or just bounce ideas off one another about making the big move…..
Goes for anyone here!!!! It’s great to have a forum in which you can come across so many ideas. I’d like to hear opinions/ideas/suggestions/offers.
Good luck to all tentative travelers!!!!!!
I just found your blog today and thought I would go ahead and jump in. My husband and I own a moving company in Florida. (small company) We are looking to make that move for various reasons. Florida has become a negative, narrow minded place to live. We have the thought of coming out there and starting our company and leaving all of this horrible attitude behind. My husband and I grew up here, so we watched it go from very friendly people to blank stares and flat out unartistic. We are artists in multiple facets and media as well. We are looking for a more artistic community to feel at home. We are trying to prepare ourselves for the possibilities. (ie; no go for biz, no jobs, etc.) I am also looking now at the prices of licensing and a home for two others that want to join us in the journey. We will be trying to save as much moulah as possible, however, we have also thought we should visit out there for a couple of days. Here in Florida I have been battling a sinus issue I have never had before for two months now. And I was hoping it might be better out there. My problem allergy is mold. The entire state of Florida is one big mold spore I think. So anyway, I have talked with friends thy live or have lived put there and feel I have a decent idea of what we need to do, but, another question would be, which town would be best suited for a small customer service oriented moving company? Thoughts on any of the above would be appreciated. Thank You.
Raven,
I totally understand where you are coming from. I’ve left and come back 3 different times, so I know how other parts of the country are
California has some great diversity and may have what you are looking for.
Your initial thought of coming out here first to visit before a move is your best bet if you can afford it. I would caution anyone from just making a decision to move somewhere without knowing what they are getting themselves into. Lots of people think they will love it here and when they finally get here, California just rubs them the wrong way and they end up going the other way back.
As for where to live, I honestly have no advice for you about where you might have the best success for your business. California is huge, and depending on what you are looking for, you can find a community that suits you. I personally love San Diego and the Central Coast but will probably always live in Los Angeles.
After reading this I think Florida is for me!
haha i live in florida and hav an awesome job as a car detailer for BMW i make 600-1000 a week no taxes but my love for California will overcome it all one day and im packing a back pack hoppin on a bus and Moving to Cali
Funny you say that, my brother relocated to Florida, been there several times and totally want California. But I live in terrible Rhode Island. My god, I hate it. Just a matter of a job.
I am willing to get up and go down there Eli’s. I don’t have a car but I can help in many other ways. I am sick of living here in new York and need something new. I have always been obsessed and loved California. I am ready to move now at the spot of a dime if someone wants. To come along or do it in a group.
I tried one semester at Brown to get away from Yale-New Haven and I get why you might hate Rhode Island. People there treated me like I looked too stupid to have gotten into Yale because I’m Native American. So I don’t know what to say. My fellow Californians treat me the same and I’m FROM the Bay Area.
Hey Mikey. im back in Cali. so when u decide let me know give r contact hell_destroyer_007@yahoo.com
how did you do did you make the move ? I just left Savannah Ga and agree it is a sower place just looking for the weather Dan ps Iv’e have a CDL
exscuce me but are you an older couple or newer couple. & i have some family that own a transportation Company. You will have to find a part time job still to Manage all the bills. i dont want to tell you the wrong thing so do your research before you get here. hard times for everyone. email me if your interested. hell_destroyer_007@yahoo.com
I’ve lived in California for years. In 2000, we moved to Nevada and have been here for 9 years. I can not get back to CA fast enough! I miss so much about it, and feel like I’m home when I’m there. I have family and friends there, and so does my husband. He’s the one I have to convince in order to get back. He talks to people here and comes home with all the negatives. I get where he’s coming from because where he lived last in CA, I couldn’t stand. I lived in Huntington Beach, Riverside, Laguna Hills, Mission Viejo, Laguna Niguel, and other cities close by as a child. The schools are so very bad here. Our kids would be better off by far. He’s convinced we won’t make it there financially, but we aren’t doing well here, and he’d get paid more there. True, there’s state taxes, but the good far outway the bad. I have one relative here, and haven’t seen her in over a year, if not more. I don’t get out much because of the sickening heat. In CA, a.k.a. Home, I have relatives and extended family and friends that want to spend time with me, my family, and actually have a life like I did before! I miss the beach so much. My daughter and I spent a lot of time up and down PCH! I also miss the ability to head off to Disneyland at any time, even if it’s just to hang out at the resort, have a meal, ride the tram, and look around at so much! My mother in law is there, also, and I really get along with her very well! I would love to be able to see her as often as possible. I think that would be best for my husband as well.
I’m glad I found this site! Thank you.
Dawn
there are other options. california has beautiful national parks where you can camp out for a while for little cash. there are also hostels all throughout the state especially in cities if youre less of a outdoors person. finally, there is couchsurfing.com and wwoofing. wwoofing is great because many farms, barns, beekeepers, etc will provide free lodging and food (and sometimes a small stipend) for 5 hours of work a day. my final piece of advice is to be friendly and gracious to everyone you meet along the way: this alone can change your luck. travel does not have to be expensive, and there are alternative ways to do the things you want to do. if you want something badly enough, you can find a way to make it happen.
Hi to all above persons.
My Name is Genna and I have been reading the comments above. I live in Tiny New Zealand. Right in the middle of know where except a few hours flight from Australia. I am 24 yrs of age and have been considering moving to California but am trying to find out as much as possible, I have a husband who I met when I was 15 and have been married for 2 1/2 yrs now. He does have a great job on our Port here in Mount Maunganui and I also work there. He has been there for 9 years and started at the bottom and is now the Production Planner/Scheduler and I Supervise the Customer Service Dpt. I have been trying to convince my husband for years that a move/change would be nice. I have always wanted to do the work/travel thing and would like to do it before we have kids. I have always loved America and Cali is looking great.The thing is though we both didnt get very far in school. We both didnt make it through High School but have worked hard to get to where we are now.
So will that make it hard in getting jobs there as everything so far similar to what he does requires BA’s and good grades and all the rest. Cali is very different from New Zealand but if we are going to make a move,it wouldnt be to somewhere the same as home. We would like to get overseas experience in our jobs, especially my husband as he loves the Manufacturing side of things. Work hard, save hard but do some travelling round aswell. Our move wont be until 2011 as thats when our mortgage contract ends on our house and will sell and use the money from that.
Will it be hard to start out there and will people be very helpful/inviting???
Just hope we are doing the righ thing. NZ is so small so would like to see what America has on offer for us, if anything. Hopefully something for a few years.
Any advice??????
Genna,
Thanks for coming to my site and leaving a comment. I honestly do not too much advice for you on this one. If it were me, I don’t think i would do it. Living in California, as I write on this blog, can be quite expensive. You add on the fact that you would come here without a job and without a high school education and I think you would struggle here. Most people would probably overlook the fact that you don’t have a high school education (it would be assumed that you have it given your age and your work history) but any sort of white-collar job is going to ask if you have a college degree.
If you can secure a job before you come here, that would be a different story. But given the California economy is experiencing 10% unemployment, and it might be hard for you to do that from overseas.
But if it is your dream to travel and explore, than by all means go for it. As I often write, California is a great place to live, and I think everyone, if they can should do it. Best of luck to you and I hope it all works out whatever you decide.
Genna,
I say, “go for it”! On the one hand, California might be quite a bit of a culture shock to you, and I would not expect a lot of helpful friendliness, from complete strangers, but on the other hand, there are options! You can do a work/travel thing on farms/ranches/vinyards, depending on what part of the state you are visiting. Additionally, I know that this is not a great bit of advice, but you could always lie about your education. The public school system, in New Zealand, is much better than the public school system, in most urban U.S. cities. Therefore(and I feel I can ascertain this, simply by reading your articulate and grammatically correct post), you are likely much more knowledgeable and capable, than many U.S. college grads. As long as there is no obvious ignorance rearing its head, I am sure you can pass yourself off as a college grad. Probably, few employers will be likely to request transcripts from a New Zealand university, anyway, so just say you graduated! As long as you are applying for a job with a very small company, and the position is one that you possess all of the necessary practical skills to perform, you likely won’t get caught.
I know this is not the most honest thing to do, but hey, you do what you need, to get ahead, right? After all, this is America. That’s how we roll.
i actaully think the owner of this site can be pritty harsh tbh on other people who has tried to make something of there lifes what just because they didnt do well in school which was years ago.. they wouldnt suit living in your town what has california got what everyone else aint??? except to be sounds of things stuck up people like everywhere you go…. think its abit harsh to say she wouldnt fit in ect how do you actully no tbf?? think before u give more advise she’l have money. as from selling her house ect she’l be loved as she’l be with her husband all they got to do then is do what id do walk the streets until she an her husband has a job an a place to live keep asking keep searchin like u said yourself if you want something never give up remember that the lot of you tbh.. reading all these comments woundering just how many of you actaully moved ect???
Thanks for posting this blog. It’s helped me out alot. I’m only 20 yrs old and live in Texas. I have it made here at home and am going to school but I feel like being here is a trap. Everyone I know who has grown up here, stays here. With this family, it’s just crazy. I always feel the need to go out and experience something crazy and new. I’ve always wanted to live in Cali and I know it can be done. I am currently trying to get a degree in Audio Engineering/ Music Production. I know that work in the music industry is extremely competitive…but it’s what I love to do. Everyone tells me I won’t make any money doing it and will never be able to move out there, but i know i can. Can you give me some advice on what goals I should put first? Like, I guess I should finish school here and save money. But part of me wants to just get the hell outta here and go to school there. But with the money I have now, that’s near impossible. Thanks ~Angela
I’m going to echo Raven’s comments below. Finish school. Life is so much more difficult without a college degree. It is a pre-req for almost any white collar job. It is possible to live an OK life without one, it is just a lot easier to do with one.
It is a bad idea to just drop out, move to CA, and hope for the best. Life should not be lived by “winging it”. You need to have a reasonable plan to achieve what you want and it is not reasonable to drop out of school and move to California with no money.
My answer *might* be different if you finished school and had some way to live in California without money (i.e. friends or family here). But short of that, it is a bad idea to move to a place as expensive as California in your current situation.
Well I will say this because its true! Most degree having young people have a very hard time finding jobs. The reason is because they think some degree is an automatic ticket to career. Wrong for the most part my friends. I’m educated but work a great blue collar job, and guess what I bet I make more money then most of the people on this forum. Have a good day. There is no substitute for hard work and common sense!
Angela. This is advice coming from someone that works in the film industry. FINISH SCHOOL FIRST. I understand being itchy and wanting to move. I want to do the same. But, all the actors I have worked with (newbies) all have the same dream. They moved there, and they are struggling big time. California is in a bad place financially and moving there would make matters worse on you than previous times. How much time do you have left in school? If you are going to a good school I would definitely finish there. Because not only is living more expensive there compared to Texas, but, the schools are more, the food is more, everything is more. SAVE SAVE SAVE. Have at least six months of basic living expenses saved up not including the costs of moving there and the deposits and such. Research, make sure you visit there before you rent to make sure you are getting into a decent area. I have a friend that lived there a long time ago and he won’t move back unless he has a years worth of living expenses. I do not want to be a downer, because I am not like that. But, I would rather give you the down stuff first. You can work hard and make it happen. Follow your dreams love what you do, And as long as you are passionate. You will succeed. Here is another reason to have so many months together. You will want to get acquainted with where you move to. And then I would look on craigslist to find opportunities to volunteer with what you do. Get used to how they do things out there. Get to know people, and be social. Network big time. If you are good you will get somewhere by not taking no for an answer. Hope this helped. If you want to ask more, please do. Good Luck.
Hello Everyone, from Southeast Wisconsin. It appears this is an old thread, not sure if it is still active or not. My wife and I were recently married in October 2009 and are planning to move to the LA area in the fall. I am 25 years old and have a BA in Supply Chain Management. I have been with the same company for almost 5 years including an Internship and have worked my way into the International sales department. I also work part time as a Banquet Captain at a hotel in down town Milwaukee, WI. My wife is an optician at a Vision Center and is going to school for TV and Video production. As noted above we are planning to move to LA in the fall. I am very excited about the idea, but very nervous as well. I have two very secure jobs that pay well, but do not enjoy either of them. I have been browsing job postings in LA for nearly a year just seeing what has been available and what I could apply for when the time comes. One thing that I am struggling with, is how to properly apply and be considered for a job from across the country. My wife and I are both very hard working, out going individuals and I am confident that we can both land good jobs if we meet the right people. Any advice for going about the job search from across the country?
I’ve actually done a job search across the country on 3 separate occasions. I’ll write a post about it which will hopefully help you out. Check back in a few days and I’ll post something on it.
Thank you very much! I look forward to hearing your input.
I noticed that you have a link to the Intercontinental Hotel on your home page. Do you have any affiliation with Intercontinental? My part time job is through the Intercontinental in Milwaukee and I may have some transfer options within the hotel chain. The Milwaukee location is also partnered with the Marcus corporation which potentially gives me more transfer options in the hospitality world, if I want to maintain a part time job as well. Again, just not sure which way to proceed with investigating this as I am concerned as to how the Banquet Manager at the hotel would react if she knew I was considering a move in the fall.
I have been reading this blog and other information on moving to LA/California, especially locations where I can hopefully get most any work related to the TV/Film industry. I know you responded over 2 years ago, but I decided with the economy being as it has been, that 2 years might tell me whay I need to know now more than if I’d asked you 2 years ago.
I have a BA and a host of experience scattered all over. I even went to LA back in 1987 and did some extra/background acting work and took a few acting classes. Even then I lived in my car near Burbank and stayed in a motel by the week when I had the money. I also waited tables part time. It was daunting then trying to figure out how to live there. Yes, if I had maybe 2 or 3 roommates, I should have been able to make it. But, one never knows when someone will decide to go as I found out people come and go to California fast and often. I did like it out there other than the smog in the valley. I have wanted to go back ever since I left.
I am curious how the film industry work is now? I have read other blogs that have people stating that even after years of expeience in the film industry they are having a huge problem getting work out there.
I am interested in many areas of the film industry. I know I do not have enough moving to actually move there. I have a dog that has been with me for 12 years and he is #1 for me right now. Moving out there means finding a place where he can have a life too. I do not want to work 100 hours per week and have his sitting there waiting on me. So, I know I have to go out there and find a place that I can maybe have a room and work where I am staying, plus maybe some other work on the side. There is the need to trust someone. That is always a hard one. If it were just me, then I could suffer more.
I know things have changed out there. Some things maybe better, other things are a lot worse. Yet, I still think about going back or somewhere that I can get into film industry work.
Maybe you have a suggestion of a city that is more affordable and I can get film related work? I know the usual answer is that if you want to work in film, might as well go to NY or LA.
One interest is to work with sound. I need training though. I am very interested in doing that, or I think I am. Writing and other interest are also there. Sure, if I actually got an acting job, I’d be as happy as anyone could imagine. But it is not my main focus as I just have not did that much. I grew up in a pretty remote location and acting was just something you saw on TV or heard on the radio. When I went to LA, I tried extra acting and I got around those sets and I have wanted to be a part of it ever since.
So, why did I leave? Lack of money for one. I had things I needed to get back to and I just never got back out there, mainly do to the lack of money and the cost to live there. I rarely see jobs listed there to apply for that pay anymore than than do in the midwest. Hard enough to get by here and jobs are not easy to get here either. But, there is not film industry here. That is my main reason to go there. There are other things I like about LA and the area, but the film/tv industry is first on my list.
Sorry about the long reply, just really itching to get into that work and I am just not a young person anymore. Thank you!
is 100,000 enough to move to LA and how long would it last me?
I’m 24 yrs old and saved up about 100,000 and i work at a hair salon. should i stay where im at or move to LA? its always been a dream for me to be in CA also. please tell me what u think of my situation.
First off I’m assuming you are talking about $100,000 U.S. right? If that is accurate, and you are indeed only 24, you are doing pretty well. Way ahead of me when I was the same age. How did you manage this with what seems to be an average job?
In any case, yeah, if you have this much saved you are pretty much set. Can’t imagine you going through that much money unless you like to live the high life. I could go years with that much saved, even if I wasn’t working. But that’s only because I carefully control my costs. If you do the same, you should be set.
u sound like my x who works at a hair salon. dont be a joke. 100k is more than enough follow your dreams babe
Wow, who in the world has $100,000 saved up to move somewhere, not me! lol I’d travel the world with that kind of money. Anyway, your post was really helpful, it’s always scary thinking about moving somewhere. I’ve been wanting to move to San Francisco but I know absolutely no one there and heard it’s cold and crazy expensive. I currently live in Hawaii where my studio apartment is $1400, ridiculous. Are people in San Francisco nice or easy to find a job there? If you have any experience being in the SF area, please let me know what it’s like and how much money do you think I should save up to move, $10,000?
If you have a whole lot of money and the right “connections” you’ll find San Francisco to be very nice. If, on the other hand, you’re like about 80% of its population and are just scraping by, then you’ll find San Franciscans cold and unfriendly and backstabbing kind of like Seattle. You don’t want to wind up “down and out” in San Francisco because of the kinds of neighborhoods you’ll wind up in and even though statistically it’s one of the safest cities of its size, things still happen.
Moving To California With No Money Is A Challenge But Can Be Done. I Know Of A Few People Who Have Tried To Do This With Not Much Success.
Hey Terrence,
Currently I reside in Hawaii, and I am contemplating a move back to LA (lived there for a year back in 2000). I have enough finances to fly myself there and to ship my car there. I have family that I can stay with while I get myself situated, but definitely not more than a month. Upon arriving, I will have zero money; therefore I know the job hunt is on. I have a BA in communications as well as 15 yrs customer service experience. Do you think I have a good shot at a decent paying job that will afford me a decent rental? Thought about the move for over the last 10 years, but never committed. Worked various jobs in HI, but all dead ends. It would be ideal if I have money saved before I made the decision, but that is the same tune I sang before. In your opinion, do you think I should do it?
Hey Warren,
I’m not sure what advice to give you. I tend to be fairly conservative when it comes to things financial because I think people are too impulsive and don’t think through the ramifications of their actions.
On the other hand, I think some people are too conservative when it comes to taking certain risks in life. If you wait for the perfect time in anything, you will usually not get anything done. I don’t believe in getting stuck behind analysis paralysis.
The job market is tough in California. If you have a job now, I would say you need to think carefully before leaving it. A month might not give you enough time to find a job. Then what do you do after that? If your answer is that you don’t know, then I say you aren’t ready to move here. I’m highly qualified and have never not had a job if I wanted one, and even now, I can tell you that the job market is kind of tight right now. My boss who got laid off a year ago is still looking for work.
If you have a plan on what you will do if your job will take longer than a month, say it takes 6 months, than I say perhaps you can take the plunge.
Ok.. this all might sound a little unrealistic but I really want to do this and I’m gonna try it. Basically my current situation is that I’m 22, in a relationship, we live together in Ohio and rent is only $400 a month. I’m making enough to get by on basic needs and I have a 98 windstar that sucks up all my money with gas. LOL. I was born and raised in California during my childhood years until my mom remarried and then divorced and now we’re stuck out here. I used to visit my dad out in California but he passed away when I was in high school.
I have a strong desire to go back to California to live there and go to school there. My dream is to be a Marriage and Family Counselor and maybe even have my Masters by the time I’m 30. Almost done with my associates. Anywho… I’m currently saving for a car and I know your advice suggests against that if I plan to move to California with “no money” but I want a VW Beetle (which would actually go with the whole California idea.. lol) but seriously, they get good gas mileage and that’s all I care about. I’m sure if worse comes to worse I could manage in California by taking a bus depending on what job I’d get… but then again it’s been a while since I’ve been there but you could probably just get about anywhere by bus in Cali.
Anywho, let’s say if I wanted to up and move to California in about 9 months or so and managed to save about 1,800 from a new job I’m just about to be hired onto, and my boyfriend comes with me (so that could possibly work as a positive… possibility for 2 incomes coming through) do you think I’d have a good chance of surviving as long as I work my butt off to find any job?
I do have friends and family out there that I could crash at for a while til I got my stuff together. I just don’t know how that would work out with the boyfriend equation. I just wanted to see if you have any further words of advice because I know it seems like a dream that is out of reach and unrealistic but I live for the sole purpose of going back to California. Yeah… crappy Ohio is livable but I HATE snow/winter and my heart belongs to California. =D
My heart belongs there too. We are both in similar situations Jessica.
I just came across this post and want to thank the OP for writing this all down for the people out there with this dream. I decided last march that I would take off to California with the little money I had saved up. I had about $4000. I had a lot of fun getting myself here as I made some fun stops along the way: hiking app trail, surfing east coast for last time, nashville, chicago, yellowstone, san francisco. I was lucky to have a friend already living here and a place to stay while searching for a new place. I was lucky enough to find a place to live and work within a month. That said, I think most of the people responding to this article are missing the message. There is no magic bullet. I did not forecast for how working a minimum wage job would affect me on many different levels. I have met many homeless people who take home as much money as me in disability every month, and they don’t have to pay rent to anyone. They seem happier than me on many days. In fact, I would encourage any of you who are young like me and California dreaming to research the many wonderful strategies for living without a home. Urban or suburban camping/van living seems to be fairly common around here. I only mention these things because for many people they are a much better alternative to forking over 600+ bucks every 30 days. Basically, to sum up my point, this has not been the best career move for me. I’m dealing with it. But I’d like to offer advice to anyone who thinks this is the answer to think really hard and have a plan (and by plan I mean good job or a lot of money). Lastly, to the girl who is a 24 year old with $100,000 saved up: Wow. thats awesome. way to go. Don’t blow it on moving to California unless you can line up comparable work before you get here. To everybody else: take a good look around you and really imagine your life without all the people and places you love. I bet there’s a lot that your own backyard has to offer that you haven’t even explored. Trust me the newness of a place wears off really fast once reality sets in.
I’ve been considering going to California for a year or two now. I love the music, weather and lifestyle (more laid back from what I’ve heard) The perfect opportunity is going to arise with grad school which I planning on taking advantage of. There are plenty of schools in Cali where I can get my business masters.
Now I haven’t visited California yet but I am going there this summer (either roadtrip or via plane) to visit Berkeley, UCLA and USD at least. What places should I go to get the greatest feel for living there (not 21 yet)? Anything I must do?
Thanks for the awesome posts.
-Oleg
Oleg,
At the end of the day, you can find pretty much anything you want in California in terms of living environments. Want hustle and bustle? Try Santa Monica or Hollywood. Want a more suburban feel? Santa Clarita and Irvine invented suburbia? Want the stereotypical California beach, can’t do much better than La Jolla or Malibu.
If you plan on going to one of those schools, my advice is to just visit them all and then go around the surrounding areas. There is no one thing you must do. Just check out the neighborhoods, see the sights, and figure out if this really is the place for you.
Hey can i crash at your place terrence?
Lol! Wow! That’s funny Matt. I’m moving to Cali this December with my son. I’m only 20.. Been married for almost 2 years now. We’re both from Cali. We’ve lived in Utah since 2007. Going to make a change and go back. Hubby just left 2 weeks ago to start a really good job out there. Now it’s my turn! Majority of my family and the Hubby’s fam are all out there. So we’ll have a lot of babysitters. lol. Just hoping and praying everything will fall into place. I know it’s going to be hard as hell, but I’ma do my best to stick it through and work my butt off like no other. ha. A good friend of mine once told me, “You’re going to have to get through ALL the rough patches to get to where you wanna be in life”. And it’s sooooooo TRUE!! We’re all going to struggle no doubt! No reason to NOT give it a try. As scary as it sounds, everything will work out for all of you.
. Ya’ll are not alone! You’re always going to have to start from the bottom to get to the top. Good luck guys!
I was in New York for a couple of years and then I moved back to Chicago. I worked in production for a couple of years, so I do have some experience. I have a bachelors degree and a masters degree. I recently got my bartending licence. Don’t have a lot of money or a car at this point. I am thinking about moving to California but not sure when. Do you have any advice?
As I’ve told others in this thread, I think you have to look very hard about your motivations to move to California. Moving here without money is extremely difficult so unless you really have something you want to do that can only be done in California (e.g. Acting) than the best strategy is to either find a job here before you make the big move or to save up enough money so that you can live in California for a few months while you look for work.
Hey, I am thinking of moving from New Jersey b/c I’d prefer the weather there and would love to organic farm there. Where in Cali do you live?
I live in the Los Angeles area.
I am 22 and live in arizona and my girlfriend is in california. she moved back there 2 years ago to live with her parents and go to school because we were losing everything. I had to stay here and work out some issues of my own. It has been almost 2 years now, and I still haven’t started school… I am working a dead end job making about 150-200 a week. Most of that money goes to house expenses and gas… I do live with my parents as well, but it is a world full of drama and irresponsible behavior… I feel the need to constantly help them out and when i get stressed out i just want to go hang out with my friends and forget about everything. I feel like it has been too long and I need to get to california before our relationship falls apart more than it already has. We love eachother so much and I can tell it hurts more and more every day I don’t do something. So I have decided that I am going to save up enough money to buy a vehicle that would get me to cali, and enough money saved up so I have funds for necessities… But I will live in that vehicle until I can get a job, and save up more money to start taking classes at school, and maybe stay at the dorms? I just need to know how much money I’d need to have saved before I drove. I am determined to get there and save us before we both break…. Weve been together 6 years, and she means the world to me… I need to do this. Please give me some advice. How much money will I need. I will take a descent job, I would have somewhere to shower and wash my clothes, but I have no problem sleeping in a car/ truck, whatever it may be…
I’m sorry it took so long for me to get back. I haven’t been blogging as much lately and so haven’t been able to respond back to people’s comments.
I can’t tell you a dollar figure that would make me comfortable in your situation. My advice to people is always don’t do anything hasty and have a solid plan. Part of that is having 6 months worth of savings so you can live in case things don’t work out. That clearly won’t work for you given your present circumstances.
I do not think it is a good idea to drive to California and live in your car. This is especially true since your prospects for finding a job that will sustain you is made worse by the fact that you will have no permanent residence and have no college education. This will cause a vicious cycle where you will struggle to make money because of the disadvantages above and you won’t be able to eliminate those disadvantages because you are struggling to make money.
So in short, I would find someway to get enough money where you can sustain yourself for sometime when you get here. If you read my post, it clearly states you need somewhere to live. Your money requirement is a lot less if you can find a place to live for no money as rent is the most expensive thing here. Solve that problem first before you do anything. If you can solve that, than you can probably sustain yourself for several months with just a few hundred bucks.
I have family in San Diego, California (close family) that I could live with for free.
I am about to start college, but I was going to do 1 year (or 1/2 a year) then move to California to live with them.
I’m doing this to pursue acting. And this plan has been thought out by multiples and myself for almost over a year.
What is your opinion? Finish my 4 year college and put California on hold… or go for it while I’m young?
Becca,
I have no idea what your level of talent is or what actually makes sense for you. For most people, it makes a lot more sense to finish college and then pursue your dreams so you have a fall back plan but that plan doesn’t work for everyone (and might be counter-productive as my post here states. http://www.doublejourney.com/2010/06/02/why-finishing-college-might-actually-hurt-your-career/)
That being said, if you can go to college in California and do it cheaply by living with family, that might give you the best of both worlds.
Terrence,
I’m 18 and pretty set on moving to Los Angeles. I could be going to Rutgers University for free this upcoming fall (I got a lot of financial aid) but instead I am choosing to pursue my dreams.
My parents think this is foolish of me and I mean, I can see where they’re coming from. It’s just a college degree really isn’t necessary to become an actor. Not only that, but I feel that if I do go to college and get a degree, I won’t even want to act anymore. This is because I’d want a real 9-5 job out of college and I wouldn’t be going to college for acting anyway; I would go for a back-up plan. But if I did get a “back-up plan,” I think that would only distract me from my true dream of becoming an actor.
Just because I don’t go to college doesn’t mean I’ll end up homeless on the streets…I have over $10 K saved up, and I plan on working obviously when I’m out there. I know I’d have to work a job such as waiting tables, but I’m OK with that.
If anything, maybe after living out there for a year or so, if I really hated it, I could just come back home and then go to college and get higher education.
Is this realistic? Can I support myself out there? Am I a complete moron for doing this??
Patrick,
Sounds like you’ve got the plan sewn-up. Keep in mind it’s never too late to go back to college if acting doesn’t work out. Keep your hopes up and you faith in lock. Best of luck.
Despite what college has done for me, I do not think everyone has to have a college education. In fact, I think most people are actually over-educated for the eventual jobs that they take.
If you want to pursue your dream, and that dream doesn’t require college, I think that is fine so long as you can reasonably take care of yourself. From the sound of it, it sounds like you can since you already have 10k saved up even before you head off to college.
Yes, you will have to take odd jobs and find work while you are out here, but if you find a half decent job and are careful with your savings, you could live here for a year and see if you can make things happen. If not, college will always be there later.
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Terrence,
Earlier you mentioned that you have done a cross country job search 3 different times and that you would write a post about it. Not sure if you ever ended up writing about it, but I couldn’t find it. I would love to hear your advice on the topic.
I’ve found that many employers do not even consider people from out of state. I’m 25, have a college degree, a good job and a good amt of $ saved up. I don’t plan on moving to San Diego until Aug 2012. By that time, I will have saved even more $. I do not want to move without a job, regardless of how much $ I have saved. I want to be able to use my savings for moving costs (if needed), furniture, emergencies, etc. I may or may not be able to transfer with my job, 2 years is a long time away. I would love to have my relocation costs covered, but this is not a necessity, as I want to move regardless.
I know how to look for jobs across the country, but I need help on how to land a job across the country. What worked for you in your job search and do you have any good tips or advice? Thanks!
Hello,
First I want to thank the author of the article and all the authors of the post, then I wish to tell of my plan. I took a road trip from NYC to CA and saw all parts from RT-80 down to San Diego. There is not one part of CA I didn’t fall in love with. This was in 2002, I was an engineering student. I graduated in 2004 and still wanted to pursue CA but I figured to get hired as an IT person, I need experience. I continued for another 6 years gaining general IT experience and finally I formulated what I think is a well thought out plan. I was let go of my job 9 months ago and eventually stumbled into the idea of working for a nationwide chain. I finally found employment with one, and asked during the interview if an out-of-state transfer to CA was possible. I was given a definite yes on both being hired and transfered. That began my one-year plan. I am working up the Cisco career path to the point to qualify for the CCIE, the highest level of certification, who’s one of two testing sites is in San Jose, CA. If I pass, the job I will attain will exceed 100k/Year. I plan on going to SoCal, but there are still a few parameters in my way. firstly, how much money (aside from the enormous amount for the exam) should I bring with me? Secondly, I will be driving as there are issues that prevent me from taking any form of public transportation (long story.) I am sure my plan still has bugs which could be worked out within a year’s time, but I welcome everyones input.
Thanks,
Frank
I was looking on the internet about moving to california, I really miss the west coast I grew up there not california but arizona and other place when my dad was in the army he is retired now. I was in california in 90′s for vacation and love it my aunt is out there.and I so want to move ASAP I live in fayetteville nc my hometown which I hate, the west coast is so much fun and lay back. I love your blog it was very helpful. once everything is good for me, I will be packing up and moving . the only thing i will miss is my family and some few people thats it. if I had a chance to start all over again i would of stayed with my dad on the west coast 17 years ago.
Fayetteville NC. What a beautiful town with everything in order.
It reminds me of Swizerland in the summertime. Why would you want to leave such a beautiful place, Camelia?
hey im 19 yrs old and have roughly 2500 dollars saved up and just want to move out to california. is it even logical in any sense that i could get a job within a month? my parents opinions are biased obviously since they do not want me to leave i was just wondering if you see this as a possibility it would be appreciated
I am 56 and living in Illinois and desire to relocate to southern california next year. I have a law license in Illinois and California but most likely cannot get employment in that profession. my credit is bad due to business losses resulting from the crash in 2008. I have $35000 and possibly as much as $250000 more coming in in the next 6 months. I lived in newport beach 22 years and desprately want to return to southern ca even though the high life I lived is gone. Perhaps I could team up with others hoping to move, show them california, and work and even live together to make the move. I know southern california like the back of my hand and would be a mountai9n of strength and knowledge for those likewise seeking to relocate. I will be looking for a job in southern ca and will likely have to start over in a horrible economy. Any thoughts from anyone? Dennis.
Hi, I’m a 37 year old black woman with 2 minor children.I have been thinking about making a move to Cali. I must admit I’m afraid I have about 3500 dollars saved.I do not know anyone in cali but a 19 year old dancer(an not that well) I want a change the south is whack but I need to know is there a lot of racism and I need a entry-level job is getting a job there too awful right. I would like to meet a great group of friends.I ‘m a late bloomer so I want to go back to college for fashion.I have crazy style .What is the best place in cali for myself an my children.My daughter is 15 she whats to act.I really want to move to there.My life has just reset I did not push the button it just kind of happened.
Nita,
Hi Nita,
I live in Az and i sooo want to move to CA. I don’t know anyone there. I have a 6 yr old son. i am also 37 yrs old and asfrican american. R u still thinking about moving? I plan to visit there within the next month or so to check things out. i have a bachelor’s degree in social work and am half way completed with my masters.
Maybe we can stay in touch and chat about our plans to move.
Wow. This site is very informative. For some reason I thought I was the only 37 y/o looking to make a change and move to California. I have an extensive background in Social Work, and although CA income limitations are not forgiving to someone with a social worker’s salary, I am still ready to move on from Chicago. I have visited many times, both northern and southern, as a single african american lady, I think that Southern CA has a bit more to offer. I am nervous about finding work, but I remain optimistic.
Hi Nita and Pam,
I am a 52 married black woman married to a native California. I lived in California for 25 years and absolutely love it. However, my husband and I had to relocate to South Carolina where my family is because we went from a 6 figure income to unemployment. I would encourage you both to SAVE YOUR MONEY. Make plans to move. I believe that everyone should have lived in California at least once in their lives as well as visit someplace abroad such as Spain. I have done both and it’s absolutely worth it. But if you do not have any more or a job going to California you will be absolutely miserable, especially with small children. We were struggling so much by the time we moved, due to the economy we were walking around like zombies saying aloud “I can’t believe we’re here.” Love definitely got us through because by the end we had not much else. We re going to return but not for the next couple of years. You MUST have a job. Good luck.
California is really my dream place ti visit. I always wanna visit there with my family. Every time I make ready myself for it, but due to hectic schedule of office always it pending. very soon going there..
Hi Im 19 and will be 20 in 6 months I am a model but I really want to pursue acting. I live in arizona but i feel like Im stuck and that I should be in california. I have no money and no job but i get $925 a month while enrolled in college. My plan is to enroll in Long Beach city college then take a bus to cali with at least $500 saved up and stay in a cheap motel untli i start school and get the money to get my own place. I also plan on finding a job within the first month. Do you think my plan is good? I dont want to end up homeless and I am very careful about my decision saying that it could be life changing, but because i get $925 a month it might be alot easier.
rose^ how in the world do you get $925 a month for going to college?
My name is Beege and I live in Northwest Indiana I HATE it here. My dream is to pursue modeling in CA. I’m currently going to IUN for dental hygiene. I have $5,000 saved but dont want to blow it on an apartment… I’m going to be 20 soon and sick of living at home, I also have a cat to so this makes things a bit harder..
i don’t know, i think most of these comments are a bit dramatic. i left my born/raised home of michigan nine years ago at age 22, moved to orange county (brea). no, i did not go alone (then boyfriend, now husband) & yes, he had a (decent but not amazing) job lined up. YES, it is expensive in terms of how far your dollar will go *but* to me it’s worth every hard earned penny spent if it’s where you want to be! seriously, it is nowhere near impossible to do, i’m not sure why anyone would get the impression that it is. we’re talking about moving somewhere within your own country, right? the country is relatively small (at most, your drive could take you 4-5 days at the furthest point of distance), it wouldn’t be hard if at some point you decided you wanted to go right back to where you came from. bottom line is this: if it’s what you want *and especially if you are young, childless, etc* then please go for it
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I loveeeee your post thankyou
Thank-you! I have been in love with the idea of moving to Ocean Beach, California with my long-term boyfriend and 2 pitbull pups in the coming year. I have wanted to live there since I was 13 years old, I’m 21 now. My boyfriend is 22 and very talented…he’s a tattoo artist and electrician, and currenly works with the mentally handicapped. He could be anything out there. I on the other hand was 1 semester away from graduating with an associate degree as a registered nurse. 5% points were wrongly taken away from me and I “failed”. Either way, I have not completed college and was worrying about not having a degree or being able to afford housing with a minimum wage job or something similar. But we don’t have children, and we’re both very young…21 and 26! I think it’ll be worth it. So it might be a little rough from the get-go, but I think things will look up
Thanks for having an optimistic attitude about the issue!
I dont know why anyone would want to move to cali! Have lived here my whole 42 years and I hate it! People are very unfriendly, super rude and down right scary! Gangs everywhere, pimps, hookers, crime! HATE IT! HATE IT! HATE IT!
Hi there advice giver, I have always dreamt of living in San Diego or Los Angeles every since I was a young man. Now I wonder if moving there now is a great move because I now have two girls and a son who are still in middle school and elementary. My children even now talk about wishing to live in either San Dieago or LA by the end of the year. The fear I have is I am a father of three, retired cop from the DC area and I have my Masters degree makes we wonder would moving now be benefitual to me and my children. Looking at the job industry seems to be very unrewarding at this point. However, they are so wanting to relocate now. It was not be like I would move with no money. I would move with a retirement which is a small amount. DO you think that moving to California now would be a safe and good life for me and my children.
If you love your children do not move to this cess pool
I am 26 years old I am a drummer have traveled all over the country broke playing bars and some bigger venues living with 4 other people in a conversion van not knowing what or when your going to eat your next meal or when the next time you will shower will be. I am now in Washington state moved here with nothing but suit cases of clothes, my car and my drums. I am moving to San Fransisco next week to further my music carrer and can’t wait! Sure I am broke basically moving down there using my last pay check from work. I am going to be crashing in a practice space and going job hunting crazy right when I get there. I truly belive that life is short and being unhappy is no option if you want to do something go and do it nothing can stop your dreams but you and only you! I look at what my friends are doing back home and seeing how they are doing the same thing as they were doing when I left and I am traveling the country playing music and living in places I have always wanted to live in. Sure “money” freaks me out sometimes and the thought of not knowing what the cards of life will deal you next. But to tell you the truth I love it! I look at it as an adventure a new chapter in my life and I know I will meet some great people and experience some amazing things! All i have to say is that if you want something bad enough take it before your to old to do it and wonder “what it would have been like living in California” or wherever you may want to live. Just do it!!
Ah, Joey, you remind me of that joke:
What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend? Homeless
LOL, having said that, keep following the dream! I have always liked drummers but I love people who pursue a dream.
Listen carefully to Billy Joel’s ‘Piano Man’: The losers in the bar ask him, ‘Man, what are you doing here?’ The answer he graciously avoids giving is that he’s pursuing a dream and the real question is, what are THEY doing there?
I’m biting my nails right now at the thought of moving back to California. Things weren’t working out so much for the last time I was living there. I have a 2 year contract job overseas but I haven’t saved a lot of money, in a little over a month I have to head back to the USA because my visa expires. I’m 26 and a college graduate but I haven’t had a lot of work experience, some but nothing too solid. Also my 2 year job overseas was ESL so it’s not very much of a career builder. I have no car, no place to stay as of yet, and no job! It’s very frightening , because of how expensive the cost of living is, even if I were to watch every penny. I might just backpack through South America with the money I have and then plan my next move? I do miss California though but it’s really a struggle to get situated because of high cost of living, and unemployment issues . Should I take the plunge and try to rent a room in the Bay area? I have so much anxiety about this!
Your situation reminds me a lot of mine. I also spent 2 years overseas doing ESL and feel like I’m now behind professionally compared to a lot of my peers. I wonder what you ended up doing because you posted this a few months ago? At the moment I’m staying with my parent because I haven’t ever saved up a decent amount of money and figure it’s a start. I’m working at a bank, and even though it’s not my thing, it pays well enough. My tentative goal is to keep saving and living within my means, and eventually move out to California and pursue writing in the video game industry…and either fall on my face or gain some valuable experience.
If you have family in Cali that would be the best thing…they may want to help you at least get on your feet. Hey, feel free to contact me, too. It helps to know that someone’s in a similar situation, and to give and take advice.
WAIT IT OUT Jessica dear. It’s not going anywhere and the last thing you want to do is get to there and beat yourself up for being there. My husband is dying to go back, but we just simply can’t afford it. We can barely afford where we are now and we’re both college educated people. I’m so adamant about us waiting it out for another year or so, if he must got, he may end up going without me. I love my husband with every beat of my heart but we struggled so badly, it was the first time in my life I felt a real possibility of being homeless – literally. We have owned 3 houses in California. The last one was a 1800 sf beautifully designed condo (I am an interior designer by trade) in the middle of Ontario. We could walk to the new arena, the Ontario airport and the snow capped mountains of Mt. Baldy was right outside of my kitchen window. Mortgage was $3,200 a month, rest of the bills totaling monthly expenses to about $8,000. We paid that in bills for 10 years. Then the crash came. Before we moved to Columbia, SC we were living with my sister in a spare room in her double wide trailer in Perris and were absolutely grateful and thankful to be there. We sold many of our things just to make the move. I sold a leather rug that I paid $400 for for $50.00.
DON’T MOVE YET. It’s ugly out there financially dear. I don’t know you but I want the best for you and I don’t want to see you struggle. Your mother doesn’t want that for you and I don’t know here either. Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
Jessica,
Where are you from originally? Do you not have family? The best thing you can do with no money and no job is always to try and stay with someone who will let you get on your feet. This will usually take a few months so it has to be someone, like family, who won’t mind if you can’t get a job right away.
I’m from California originally but I can’t stay with my family due to estrangement. So I’m looking to crash with a friend for awhile. However it’ll be better if I find a place on Craigslist. :/ But I have to come back to California I don’t have a choice haha because my overseas visa expires. I’m so stressed, thanks for the advice
If you absolutely can’t crash with a friend for any length of time, my suggestion then is to find the absolute cheapest place you can until you find a job. This often means finding someone with a room to rent which might be nothing more than an empty room. This is good enough until you get an income. You can actually live pretty cheap in California if you are willing to make some sacrifices.
Hello, I am looking to move to Los Angeles from Pennsylvania. I have about 4200 saved up and want to move there and find a job. I can’t take my dead end job anymore and need to start somewhere new. I have a Bachelor’s Degree in Criminal Justice with about 4 years experience with at-risk children. The thing is, it is impossible to find a job online without living in LA. Do you think I will be ok moving out there with the amount I have saved up? How hard is it to find a job or two to pay rent? Do you know of any employers looking for people?
Hello,
I live in north carolina and plan on moving to san francisco with $6000 total between my boyfriend and I. Do you think this is enough money to move and also be able to drive our things in a uhaul to san fran? We have a lot of vinyl and kitchen essentials and a bed we’d rather not have to buy when we get out there. Just wondering if it would be cheaper to buy things for our apt once we are out there or bring our things with us.
Moving isn’t cheap. To move my stuff from Washington to California cost me around $2000 and I really don’t have that much stuff. If you drive yourself, you will actually end up spending more. I did a quick check, and to rent a Uhaul truck from NC to CA, for the absolute smallest truck you would spend about $1800. You add to that gas, and you are probably looking at at least $2500 just to move your stuff.
So ask yourself this, is your stuff worth $2500? Keep in mind, you could probably sell some of your stuff so you just have to do the math and see if all of that comes out cheaper than if you were to just chuck everything and move here with nothing.
Hi, question for you, Terrance. I’ve been, like most others and yourself, called to the West Coast. The major reason is weather. Here, we (i.e. 3 children + wife) have horrendous seasonal allergies (dust mites/animal dander/pollen/mold). As allergies are inherited genetically–little surprise.
Live in NJ currently, moved to Tx 4 yrs ago due to rapid esacalating housing prices, moved back to NJ due to poor job prospects (we went to Fort Worth–should have chosen Houston).
Wife is optometrist, I am a computer engineer. Hence, salaries are good.
Our impediment is 2 fold:
a) heavy education debt–around 200k still (and we are almost 40 yrs old)
b) no expensive assets to sell—so we cannot offset the housing
We bought a house in NJ, about 4k monthly mortgage–but were unable to put more than 5%$ down due to high cost. We would have barely a profit if we were to sell now/soon.
Hard to save with high debt. Therefore, we have little money to swing over to cut down the housing prices. We are looking in San Jose area for obvious reasons.
In short, the prices for some real estate on craigstlist seem reasonable. But realtor.com and the like show a different story.
Also there are pockets from what I’ve read in San Jose (i.e. dont live here, live there)…
We’ve both been out to Calif several times, but do not want to fail as many people have (mainly on acct of sticker shock and reality settling in).
Advice most welcomed….
Thx!
One more thing–the problem we have is the real estate–that is the major issue. Sure we can find something in a downtrodden area, and pay 300-400k, but that is a risk we are not willing to take.
In short, we can reside outside of SJ proper, and make the commute, other things being equal.
We are expecting #4 child in 3 mths time–hence, we need some space (4 kids, wife, live-in nanny, myself).
Must you own? Things in the bay area are VERY expensive, even in the San Jose area. It is one of the reasons I’ve been somewhat reluctant to move up North. If you have an open mind, I would seriously consider renting a house. Rents are not equal to the cost of owning a home. I’ve done very very well not owning. I would not own in California right now but I think it is much more reasonable to rent the equivalent house.
By the way, if you read the blog you will know I lived in Jersey. I too had allergies when I was there that I don’t have here. So if that is a major factor for you, California might be a good fit.
Thx Terrance, for your response!
I have not decided on renting v buying to be honest. Good to hear that your allergy issues have gone the way of the dinosaurs.
I will look into renting–haven’t really looked into it, so can’t really comment on it!
Thx again!
I am planning to move to ca also like many others. I want to go to school there…I am going to take industrial Design classes at the academy of art university. I have been to the school a couple times before. any online classes sucked and I failed because i didnt sign in when the teacher did but I live in va and worked. so i want to actually go to the classes and pass them. Here in va I have been laid off…and the dead end jobs are all I have…I really hate va…I even moved to minnesota and did good there…came back to va and It went down hill again. I hated the weather in mn. So I wouldnt like detroit either for car design unless I was on full scholarship or I had a banging job there. Ca has inspiration for design…detroit not so much ive heard.
So im moving there maybe on a low budget really low, but school starts, and I could work at car dealerships. I hate this situation cause i feel like its the only way to try to get ahead…and i have a slight mental issue. But ma is kicking me out cause i dont have job so i figure go to ca for school to get better job. My fam didnt teach me the things to get ahead…and i saw where the dude said if u get a dead end job from the start then thats ur course afterward too. THats with everything. My first car has been sh**, and the rest of them has been too. Only when i got into a relationship with someone with a nicer car, i got a nice civic which i drove to ca to live. I chickened out. I want to get into real estate there if i can too. I have fas… and ssi has been denied. So i have to do something. it gets worse as I get older…like it already has…what really smart people do i talk to on what to do cause ma fam sucks. I need a mentor really bad…what do u suggest.? I do have the will to go there and get things done…but im scared of the predatory aspect of San francisco, academy of art housing rates are outrageous!! they are ripping people off.!
First of all, I will say that I can fully understand the urgent desire to get to California. I lived in Southern California for over 20 years. I do know people in the entertainment industry. I will let you in on a secret. Many of the successful people who grew up in California and are successfully living in California as adults, left Caifornia during the college years. I would say over 75% of the truly successful native Californians that I know went to college in another state. Once you really get to know people here, you will understand that they all went to college in Colorado, Texas, Arizona, Pennsylvania, or New England. Only after they completed college in some of those places, did they even attempt to move back to California. Trying to go to college in California is not a good idea. You might get through college, but then you will be so broke that you will have to leave. If you want to make a long-term life in California, then you better get your college education wherever you are first. By the way, I did go to college in California and it was one huge struggle financially, and I had a spouse that was making over $50K a year during those years. When we first moved there we qualified for low income housing because he only made $50K a year. We no longer live in California, because after 20 years of career growth and an eventual household income of over $130K per year, it still seemed paycheck to paycheck. We also got tired of paying taxes for closed libraries, closed parks, and a water bill of over $300 a month. And we were frugal and careful. That’s just the reality. We tried for over 20 years and people that were older than us said, “if you ever want to be able to breathe, you are going to have to leave.” People who raised their kids in California, found that their grown children could never afford to buy a home there and they are all moving to Colorado and other states. Now this is not to say that we don’t thoroughly enjoy California. We do! In fact, we are able to enjoy it much more now that we have left and we no longer have a house to worry about there! Every April we fly out there for two whole weeks and we can do whatever we want, go wherever we want. We can afford to go to all the places there, that my friends who still live there cannot. We know at least 10 couples that are enjoying California like this. We joke that it is our secret society, because we live it up out there for 2 weeks and then go back home where it’s cheaper and start planning next year’s trip. I have come to the conclusion, if you cannot afford to go out there for a vacation for two weeks, then you most certainly cannot afford to move there.
Wow so I’ve learned a lot about moving to California from this blog! Just to kind of give you my story… My boyfriend and I are both 21. I am graduating with a bachelors in sociology in may (so excited), I hope to go for my masters in justice policy in the fall, n I am thinking about becoming a police officer here in San Antonio, Tx. My boyfriend is an animation student at the art institute of San Antonio n he has about 3 more years until he is finished. He wants to go to the academy of arts university in San francisco when he graduates, which is awesome n i totally support it, but it kind of conflicts with my plans to become an officer. We love each other very much n I know we are meant to be together, but I don’t think either one of us really understands the reality of moving from texas to cali! The cost of living is so much higher there, but i know the only way he will able to find a good paying job is to move somewhere like Cali. Any ideas on how much money we should save before making such a commitment? How many years? Maybe an actual dollar amount? I know someone said roughly 6 months of living would be good. Any other things to consider or stuff we might be leaving out? Thanks for any advice!!!
N I totally should have read the last comment, the one before mine, before opening my mouth lol everything you said makes total sense, which sucks! Haha but you are absolutely right, especially paying out of state tuition! I just don’t know where else he would go. Still, any more advice? Thanks!
@hopeful89
thats where i wanna go for school. turns out I really dont have alot of choice in the matter. I’m going for Industrial design/ transportation design major.
Hi Terrance!
Thank you so much for this post. My name is Angela. I currently reside in the Metro Detroit area. I was born and raised in Michigan, having left a couple times for a few months to work in both Seattle and San Diego. In 2009, I was laid off of my job here and could not find work for 19 mos. In January 2011, I started a new job that abruptly and unexpectedly ended less than 2 months later. In December 2010 I earned my Michigan Realtors license and had hoped to carve out a career here working with foreclosures and rentals and was working hard to build that when my job ended last week. Michigan’s unemployment agency offered me $141.00 per week for 18 weeks which is not nearly enough to survive on even in Detroit!.
Due to job loss both times, I’m behind on utilities, other bills, and am facing eviction if I can’t be moved out by next Friday. I have friends in Los Angeles who offered me a room in their home and and a former employer who offered me a job. The job only pays $12.00 an hour and I’m worried that I won’t make it on that in California(of course I’m not making it here either). I’m 42 years old and have lived in my own place for years so I don’t know how well I’d do living with someone, best friends or not. My former employer’s company is relatively new and I’m not sure how stable it is (but even the big employers are not really that stable now days). I have a pretty strong resume having many years experience in Administrative Support and was working on completing my degree when I was laid off the first time.
Another frightening thought is that because I’m from Detroit, I’m not accustomed to public transportation. We drive around here and I’m a little afraid of having to figure out just how to get where I need to go in LA without a car. Although I’ve been to LA before to visit my friends for a week and enjoyed my stay there, I’m not sure how I’d feel about living there. I have about $600 to complete the move with my friends holding off on charging me rent until I can earn a little bit from the new job and have taken your advice selling my bed and car to raise additional funds.
Guess I’m just riddled with all kinds of worries. I am single, no children. All of my family reside in Michigan yet although they are aware of my situation, non have offered or are in a position to offer to help me. I feel confused, afraid, stressed, stuck and optionless. For years I’d wanted to return to California and can’t understand why when I have the opportunity am I so afraid of going. Everyone I’ve talked to said to go, that I will be just fine but I guess I’m not convinced. Each day that passes I wake up in panic. I’m supposed to be there March 15 and start my new job on March 21. Can you offer some advice?
Hey Terrence!
I guess i’m a special case on this blog, because i dont even possess a green card >.>
I was born and i’m still living in Austria (Cental Europe). Actually i got about 4000€ on my bank’s account, which
is 5500-6000$.
Well, my question is, if there is a possibility to move to California (Los Angeles or San Francisco would be cool ;P)
without a green card? Maybe for at least one or two years, so i can get things like getting the permit to stay in the
country fixed.
The thing is, i don’t know if i am even able to get a job and work in california without a green card.
Apart that, i’m 18 years old i went to school for 12 years and i graduated highschool(i think that’s what you would
call it).
And would native language German would be an advantage to get a job in cali, or would it be even harder to find a job
as someone who isn’t speaking english perfectly?
Wow, a lot of questions!
I would still be glad if you would find some time to awnser some of them =D
Chris,
Even with money saved, it might not be that easy for you to just migrate to California. To come here and live, you would need to get a Visa. Visa’s aren’t easy to come by because an employer has to sponsor you. Without a college education, the likelihood of that is small.
The only other likely way would be to come to school here. If you can get into an American University, you can come study here on a student Visa.
But, I am by no means an immigration expert, so there may be other solutions I have not written about.
Hello Terence! I like this site very much! I wonder what advice you have for someone who was born in Calif., came back to visit a few times, but lived away for many years in the Midwest. I am a widow, and I would like to retire to California, and will be getting about $1600 per month Social Security. I will also work part time if I can find it, and spend some time painting and enjoying the wonderful weather! I was wondering what you think of Senior Housing there–either apartments, or mobile homes mostly (is it nice, bad, what?) and which is the nicest but most affordable place to live for a nice senior person like me in their early 60′s? I have children who live out there, but they haven’t been real helpful (too busy with their own lives, altho they say it would be nice if I moved there). I want some honest answers, don’t worry, I would rather hear the truth than not hear it before I make my decision. Thanks!!
I wish I could be more help, but I am by no means an expert on how Senior’s live in California.
Many people live in California on less than what it seems like you would be bringing in. Can it be done? Absolutely. Will it be more comfortable than your current situation? Hard to say. One of the things I tell people about the move here is that don’t come simply for the weather. Look at your budget, look for housing that fits into that budget, and then see if the downgrade (if there is one) is worth it to you. Budget slightly more for taxes and there you have it.
If you are barely making ends meet on your current income, then you won’t be able to make it work here. It is more expensive, but if you can make it work, it is worth it.
Terrance, you should be a motivational speaker after reading these blogs I’m ready to go out and get what I want!!!! lol
Thank you SO much for writing this…
I’m currently living in Canada and really want to start a new life somewhere…. fresh.
I’m beginning to get so sick of the people I know up here that just…. aren’t pleasant and always leave me in horrible situations that are really starting to effect my mental health. So I wanted to change my name and move down to California.
This blog helped SO much you just have no idea…. so… thank you SOOOOOO freaking much you really rested my nerves alot with this.
Hey Terrance,
Seems like you have quite the following, on people wanting to move to California! I have loved the west coast ever since visiting my family in 5th grade, up in the antelope valley. I have family in San Diego, LA, and up in AV. I have some friends in LA as well. I try to get out to Cali at least once a year and every time I get back east, I can’t stop thinking about the sunshine, and lifestyle out west. I am single, I have a decent job, a college degree, and am finishing up a certification as a fitness professional. I am weighing seriously a move, I want to do it right though! I have people that are willing to put me up for a month or two, and I should be able to make some savings to get out there. I am thinking 10 – 12k is the number? Do you have any advice?
Heres my Thing , I’m Moving to CA within 2 Weeks for College So I’m Needing someones input of If I can make it . So here I go .
I’m starting School on May 30th , 11″
Ok I receive SSI & SSA which is About $700.00 Monthly so here I go
I found Airplane Tickets For about $199.00 Or so
Found A Temprary Apartment @ Oakwook for About $121.00 A night 2 Bedrooms
I am Applying For Food stamps Once I get to CA ( Already Printed Out A Application )
I get my Hair Cut Which maybe about $15.00
I Do plan on shopping at Wal-Mart & Dollar Stores For Food & Clothing & Needs
I do know that The Salvation Army & Certain Catholic Churches Help People with Monthly Rent So I do Plan going & getting Help at Local Charities Churches & I’m Catholic anyway so I’ll Join A Local Catholic Church & ask if they have any Services for Helping with Rent & Food cause Some Catholic Churches Help pay for Rent & Supply Food & stuff .
The Good Thing is I’m into Real Estate Investing & I Just got A Note Buyer who Offered me About $25,000 Per Note If I Find Them Real estate Notes So I’ve Token The Work load So I can Make Some Extra Cash to pay & get By while in CA & In College .
I’m Wondering If I’m Doing the Right thing By Doing my Research online now in Searching For Ways to Pay My Rent & Food & all as well as Searching for Discounts , Food & Rent Funding Sources Such As Charities & Churches ect ect . Before Moving in A Few Weeks Which will be May 2nd .
Another thing I’ve Joined A Airline To get Discounts on Tickets , & I’m searching for ways to Save on Transportation around Los Angeles as well .
I think I’m Good , I’m Booking My $121 per Night Apartment This Monday & Buying my Plane Ticket On the 30th Of April For May 2nd to LA .
My College Admission Is about $75.00
So I’m wanting Someones In put Of Rather I’m Doing it right Or If I shouldn’t Do it ?
where are the apartments for only $121 a night that is way cheap!??
ohhhh also Oakwood has Free Interenet So that would Save me A Monthly Bill on Internet Cause I have & Am taking my Laptop for School & Work I’m only taking 2 Bag’s with me & I’m carrying On my Laptop on the plane.
& I know I’m Moving fast Due to School & I , But My Realistic Thing Is If anyone wants to Move to CA or any were Have at least $25,000 or better Have $50,000 to get By For Awhile .
terrance,
if u don’t comment back i understand u must be busy…
i googled “how to move to California” and this was the first one.
i seen how you love to give advice to people who want to achieve there goals in life, well i am asking for yours, i want to move away from Connecticut, i have burned all my Bridges with job connections in my area, my family thinks im going to end up in jail, along with some of my friends, and i honestly want to start over, i feel like i have some positive energy to put to use, if anything, like you, i want to help people, show them life isn’t that hard but at the same time i feel like….how can i do that if i failed at life here, i want to move to California because i feel like there is more opportunity and more understandable people out west. i want to embrace it all and just run away and everything be ok, but does some one like me, who has tried to the military and working in retail and failed miserable at both even have a chance out there? by the way i tried college in one semester one of my professor told me to give up…its not for me
i’m heading to l.a. i want to start an caree in the movie, i’m 40yrs old. no job just quit about two yrs ago. i have about 10’000 i hope that an enough to start with. i just wanted to know if it is. yes i’m trying to get away to start an new life on my own. i have my own place, but my family, wont leave me alone. but i away want to move there. so i going to try.
To all the people who have left comments above that I have yet to respond to let me say this. I stand by what I wrote in the original post. There are ways to move to California for very little money. Do it if you feel you absolutely must. Don’t do it though if you think this will cure some problem you are currently facing in your life and all you are trying to do is to get away from that problem. There are easier, and cheaper, ways of doing that.
I love living in California. I would recommend it to almost anyone who wants to do it for the right reasons. The key phrase there is “for the right reasons”. It is never a good idea to make too many big life changes at once and moving to a new state is just that. If there are lots of other things going on in your life, take care of those first. That way, you can come to this beautiful state with a clean slate.
I am new to this thread and can appreciate all the comments/feedback and enjoyed reading your blog Terrance. I’m due to move to CA soon – but in most cases am most fortunate than others where I have secured a well paying job $110,000 annually. I have about $8,000 saved to (relocate all my things and car, including myself and find a decent apt/with a deposit). My moving costs are looking like it will total $3500 max. I’ll be working in Silicon Valley and since I plan on continuing to save as much as I can, and since it seems like an expensive area what are my living options without hitting my budget. I would like to limit the use of my car and be near that area. I’ve visited 3 times (like Berkeley, downtown Oakland, alameda and south east bay) and don’t know what I should do. Any feedback is appreciated.
Navsy,
I don’t think you have too much to worry about. You can live in most areas comfortably on what you make. I don’t know what other expenses you have but housing wise, I don’t think you will have too much of a problem unless you feel it necessary to rent or buy a house.
My general advice to people, especially those who will have cash flow like yourself, is to find a place as close to work as is reasonable. That will save you from having to drive very much (which is one of your stated goals) and believe me, traffic can be a headache in the Bay Area. If the immediate area around work is too expensive, I’m sure there are surrounding neighborhoods that can be affordable.
Hi, nice blog. I visited Cali last year [LA and nearby areas] with my wife…loved it! I retire from the UK Police service in a few years and intend to move to Cali. I have 2 houses here and intend to sell one to release capital to buy outright a place there [approx 400,000 dollors]. being rent free I hope my police pension will be enough to give me a comfortable life style. I`ll be 50 when I retire so able to really enjoy Cali. My only concern is getting the relevant visa/permissions etc. Before I start researching are there any points you can offer or sign post me to a useful site.
Hey Terrence!
Im glad i found this, it is indeed an awesome read. i’m looking to move to california with a friend to get into the filming industry and to ride longboards/surf.
I am currently 17 and i’m living in the UK. I have a small fund in getting everything kick started. What would you recommend that i do and is there any tips or advice that you would give me in my current situation??
Lui Dodds
Lui,I would wait untiul you are atleast 21 and have saved atleasat 6 months worth of living. The only reason is its a different country for one and sometimes you have to be 18-21 years old to have a decent job to survive there. exspecially since the econmy is so down right now. but that doesnt mean not to go when your able then. LIVE YOUR DREAM!!
Terrence,
I am planning to move to California.
I have a college degree, approximately $15,000 set aside, and depending on where I am going to live, friends that I could stay with while I work to secure a job. I am looking for a starting level computer tech position and to the end have secured a computer certificate (A+) and have the customer skills based on my current job. I have visited California (as well as other states) to make sure that California is indeed the place for me.
I feel that I’ve done my due diligence in planning.
My question is:
1) What areas in California do you recommend to live in? Looking for an Asian population, suburban, ability to hike. I understand it’s subjective, but educated advice from a native doesn’t hurt.
Thanks
San Francisco.
Hi,
I about to go into my senior year of college in Boston and I’ve lived here my entire life. I am going to have some student loans to pay and such, but I want to experience something new and since I no longer play hockey or ski I have no use the cold weather or snow. I have a friend who grew up in So Cal and says its the best place to live. How difficult would it be to move out there with a bachelor degree but minimal experience?
-Brian
Easy to move. Hard to get a job with no experience.
hey i would like to know were the cheapest place to live is in Cali, still by the beach.
me and my boyfriend of 3 years would like to finally move out on our own ill be 18 in a couple of weeks and he will be 20. we are very motivated to do what ever it takes to survive in Cali i am a hair dresser and he works in construction. we don’t have very much saved up but like i said we can survive on water and ramen noodles we are hard workers and very devoted people. we are going to move there and were not going to give up. my boyfriend will work any job literally. we have saved up about 20,000 we can get minimum wage jobs lined up before we go except we don’t know what part of Cali to move to. the only thing of value we have is his motorcycle we don’t plan on bringing anything with us. we are going to drive thier on that, so what we take with us will literally be on our backs.
any suggestions?
There is no where cheap to live near the beach. The coastal areas of California have the highest living costs in the country. Maybe up near Oregon is cheap.
I am looking to move from Orlando, Florida to Oakland, California. I have spent time some time in Oakland and really love the area. I graduated from the University of Central Florida in December of 2008. I have been applying to every company I can think of in the Oakland area since I graduated. However, I have had no luck obtaining a job. People always say that you should have a job before moving. However, from my experience I feel that you are not looked at as a serious canidate if you live out of state. In my cover letters I tell employers I am able to fly out for interviews and pay for my own relocation costs. I have even volunteered my services just to gain experience in the fields I am pursuing. I am so frustrated with the process and it has left me feeling very burnt out.
I can not bare the thought of spending much more time in Orlando. There are no jobs here and Orlando does not possess many of the the things I am seeking in a city. I love the culture, music scene, and having more professional sports teams available to me in Oakland. I have some family that lives in Santa Cruz. However, Santa Cruz is about an hour away from Oakland. If I move to California I will have to sell my car. I do not know how easy it will be to get back and forth between the two areas without transportation. If there is anybody that can give me advice on what a good plan would be I would appreciate it. Also, if there is anybody has any connections with people in the Oakland area that could help me land a position I would appreciate it. I am open to various avenues in regards to work. Most of my job experience is in radio broadcasting, retail, and administrative work.
I’m so glad I ran into your site! I’ve had a longing to get back to San Diego to spend the short time I have left. I’m not ill , or anything, but my family isn’t known for longevity, and I’m already in my 60′s. I just miss S.D.- the only place I’ve ever loved. Last year, we had a few tragic events in my family. A house burned down(no insurance) A neice’s baby was badly burned, and after 2 amputations, this 19 month old angel passed on. 3 months later a beloved younger sister died. I moved home to be with family, and now I feel worse than I did before. I have a NEED to get back to the ocean. I plan on selling everything, giving my children their inheritance, and heading back to the shore. I know it won’t be easy, but I’m sure I can find a housekeeping job at a hotel or at a hospital( I worked for a few years at a hospital). Your blog at least gave me a little encouragement. I am in an emotional hell, here, and I cannot wait to get back to my beloved California.
Wow! I am so glad I came across this interesting blog. I’ve learned a lot from other people’s feed backs and comment for Terrence. It’s amazing how interested everybody are about migrating to California despite the poor status it has due to Economic reasons.
I’m also glad that this thread is still active as the last person that left a comment on here was just a few days ago. However, I do notice that Terrence hasn’t replied to this thread for nearly two months now. I’m sure he has been busy, but I hope he is still checking this blog… For I am still interested to hear his feed backs/ advice to the above comments.
Terrence,
I am originally from Southern California and have been away for over a decade now. I have been to a lot of states and nothing feels as great as living in Southern California. I recently moved back about a year ago and moved out to another state for a guy and ended up putting my things into storage with a promise of going back for it. But things are not working out for us and it has alter my future plans. I am planning to move back soon, but I don’t have any money put aside. I had just gotten let go from my job and am hoping to rely on the unemployment benefits that will get me by for six months (if I’m eligible for it) while I find something out there and pursue a new career. I am planning to wing it only because I am currently in a unhealthy relationship and I have not other reasons to be here, but for the person I moved here for. I am kind of in a limbo… A part of me really want to go because I am not happy here, but there’s also a small part of me that is afraid to go back without any money put aside.
Any guidance or any feed backs will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Terrence!
I imagine anything is possible since people do move to California with absolutely nothing except the desire to live a better life and history repeats itself because man will ever be animated by the same passions…
With too much time on my hands I composed my own Cliff Notes of the book Rich Dad Poor Day in which you may find helpful for your journey back to the Golden State as follows:
Introduction
There is no job security anymore; I know all about downsizing and rightsizing. I also know that college graduates today earn less than you did when you graduated. Look at doctors. They don’t make nearly as much money as they used to. I know I can’t rely on Social Security or company pensions for retirement.
Unlike Monopoly, however there were two tracks: one inside and one outside. The object of the game was to get out of the inside track, what Robert called the “Rat Race”, and reach the outer track, or the “Fast Track.” As Robert put it, the Fast Track simulates how rich people play in real life. Robert then defined the rat race for us. If you look at the life of the average educated, hard working person, there is a similar path. The child is born and goes to school. The proud parents are excited because the child excels, gets fair to good grades, and is accepted into a college. The child graduates, maybe goes on to graduate school and then does exactly as programmed: looks for a safe, secure job or career. The child finds that job, maybe as a doctor or a lawyer, or joins the Army or works for the government. Generally, the child begins to make money, credit cards start to arrive in mass, and the shopping begins, if it already hasn’t. Having money to burn the child goes to places where other young people just like them hang out, and they meet people, they date, and sometimes they get married. Life is wonderful now, because today, both men and women work. Two incomes are bliss. They feel successful, their future is bright, and they decide to buy a house, a car, a television, take vacations and have children. The happy bundle arrives. The demand for cash is enormous. The happy couple decides that their careers are vitally important and begin to work harder, seeking promotions and raises. The raises come, and so does another child and the need for a bigger house. They work harder, become better employees, even more dedicated. They go back to school to get more specialized skills so they can earn more money. Maybe they take a second job. Their incomes go up, but so does the tax braket they’re in and the real estate taxes on their new large home, and their Social Security taxes, and all the other taxes. They get their large paycheck and wonder where all the money went. They buy some mutual funds and buy groceries with their credit card. The children reach 5 or 6 years of age, and the need to save for college increases as well as the need to save for their retirement.
That happy couple, born 35 years ago, is now trapped in the rat race for the rest of their working days. They work for the owners of their company, for the government paying taxes, and for the bank paying off a mortgage and credit card. The only way to get out of the rat race is to prove your proficiency at both accounting and investing, arguably two of the most difficult subjects to master.
The price of a stock usually goes up when a downsizing is announced, I said. The market likes it when a company reduces its labor costs, either through automation or just consolidating the labor force in general. That’s right, he said. And when stock prices go up, people like me, the shareholders, get richer. That is what I mean by a different set of rules. Employees lose; owners and investors win. His educated dad advised him to work for a corporation. His rich dad advised him to own the corporation. His educated dad encouraged Robert to be a smart person. His rich dad encouraged Robert to know how to hire smart people.
To encourage children to be employees is to advise your children to pay more than their fair share of taxes over a lifetime, with little or no promise of a pension. And it is true that taxes are a person’s greatest expense. In fact, most families work from January to mid-May for the government just to cover their taxes.
Chapter 1: Rich dad, poor dad
One dad recommended, “Study hard so you can find a good company to work for.” The other recommended, “Study hard so you can find a good company to buy.” One dad taught me how to write an impressive resume so I could find a good job. The other taught me how to write strong business and financial plans so I could create jobs. Being a product of two strong dads allowed me the luxury of observing the effects different thoughts have on one’s life. I noticed that people really do shape their life through their thoughts. For example, my poor dad always said, I’ll never be rich. And that prophesy became a reality. My rich dad, on the other hand, always referred to himself as rich. He would say things like, I’m a rich man, and rich people do this. Even when he was flat broke after a major financial setback; he continued to refer to himself as a rich man. He would cover himself by saying, “There is a difference between being poor and being broke. Broke is temporary, and poor is eternal.”
I noticed that my poor dad was poor not because of the amount of money he earned, which was significant, but because of his thoughts and actions. Rich Dad encouraged me to study to be rich, to understand how money works and to learn how to have it work for me. “I don’t work for money!” were words he would repeat over and over, “Money works for me!”
Chapter 2: The rich don’t work for money
The poor and the middle class work for money. The rich have money work for them. My highly educated dad recommended that I do what he did. Son, I want you to study hard, get good grades, so you can find a safe, secure job with a big company. And make sure it has excellent benefits. My rich dad wanted me to learn how money works so I could make it work for me.
Most people have a price. And they have a price because of human emotions named fear and greed. First, the fear of being without money motivates us to work hard, and then once we get that paycheck, greed or desire starts us thinking about all the wonderful things money can buy. The pattern is set. What pattern? I asked. The pattern of get up, go to work, pay bills, get up, go to work, pay bills… Their lives are run forever by two emotions, fear and greed. Offer them more money, and they continue the cycle by also increasing their spending. This is what I call the rat race.
A job is a short term solution to a long term problem. Most people have only one problem in mind, and it’s short term. It’s the bills at the end of the month. So they do as their parents did, get up every day and go work for money. Not having the time to say, “Is there another way? Their emotions now control their thinking, not their heads.” By starting our own business, we were in control of our own finances, not dependent on an employer. The best part was that our business generated money for us, even when we weren’t physically there. Our money worked for us.
Chapter 3: Why teach financial literacy?
In 1994, I retired at the age of 47, and my wife, Kim, was 37. Retirement does not mean not working. To my wife and me, it means that barring unforeseen cataclysmic changes, we can work or not work, and our wealth grows automatically, staying way ahead of inflation. I guess it means freedom. The assets are large enough to grow by themselves. It’s like planting a tree. You water it for years and then one day it doesn’t need you anymore. Its roots have gone down deep enough. Then, the tree provides shade for your enjoyment.
Money without financial intelligence is money soon gone. Most people fail to realize that in life, it’s not how much money you make, its how much money you keep. Accounting is possibly the most boring subject in the world. It also could be the most confusing. But if you want to be rich, long term, it could be the most important subject. Rule One. You must know the difference between an asset and a liability, and buy assets. If you want to be rich, this is all you need to know. “Rich people acquire assets. The poor and middle class acquire liabilities, but think they are assets”.
An income statement, often called a profit and loss statement measures income and expenses. Many financial novices do not know the relationship between the income statement and the balance sheet. If you want to be rich, simply spend your life buying assets. If you want to be poor or middle class, spend your life buying liabilities. In 80 percent of most families, the financial story is a story of working hard in an effort to get ahead. Not because they don’t make money. But because they spend their lives buying liabilities instead of assets.
In the 1960s, when I was in high school, if someone did well in school academically, almost immediately people assumed this bright student would go on to be a medical doctor. Often no one asked the child if they wanted to be a doctor. It was assumed. It was the profession with the promise of the greatest financial reward. Today doctors are facing financial challenges I would not wish on my worst enemy: insurance companies taking control of the business, managed health care, government intervention, and malpractice suits, to name a few. Because students leave school without financial skills, millions of educated people pursue their profession successfully, but later find themselves struggling financially. They work harder, but don’t get ahead. What is missing from their education is not how to make money, but how to spend money-what to do after you make it. A person can be highly educated, professionally successful and financially illiterate. These people often work harder than they need to because they learned how to work hard, but not how to have their money work for them.
The no. 1 expense for most people is taxes. More money seldom solves someone’s money problems. Intelligence solves problems. There is a saying a friend of mine says over and over to people in debt. “If you find you have dug yourself into a hole…stop digging.”
It is said that the fear of public speaking is a fear greater than death for most people. According to psychiatrists, the fear of public speaking is caused by the fear of ostracism, the fear of standing out, the fear of criticism, the fear of ridicule, the fear of being an outcast. The fear of being different prevents most people from seeking new ways to solve their problems. That is why my educated dad said the Japanese valued the power of the mirror the most, for it is only when we as humans look into the mirror do we find truth. And the main reason that most people say “Play it safe” is out of fear. That goes for anything, be it sports, relationships, career, money. By the time Mike and I were 16 years old, we began to have problems in school. We were not bad kids. We just began to separate from the crowd. We worked for Mike’s dad after school and on the weekends. Mike and I often spent hours after work just sitting at a table with his dad while he held meetings with his bankers, attorneys, accountants, brokers, investors, managers and employees. Here was a man who had left school at the age of 13, now directing, instructing, ordering and asking questions of educated people. They came at his beck and call, and cringed when he did not approve of them.
The greatest losses of all are those from missed opportunities. If all your money is tied up in your house, you may be forced to work harder because your money continues blowing out of the expense column, instead of adding to the asset column, the classic middle class cash flow pattern. To often, people count their house, savings and retirement plan as all they have in their asset column. Because they have no money to invest, they simply do not invest. This cost them investment experience. Most never become what the investment world calls a “sophisticated investor.” And the best investments are usually first sold to “sophisticated investors,” who then turn around and sell them to the people playing it safe. My educated dad’s personal financial statement best demonstrates the life of someone in the rat race. His expenses seem to always keep up with his income, never allowing him to invest in assets. As a result, his liabilities, such as his mortgage and credit card debts are larger than his assets. The middle class finds itself in a constant state of financial struggle. Their primary income is through wages, and as their wages increase, so do their taxes. They treat their home as their primary asset, instead of investing in income producing assets. As I said at the start of this section, the most important rule is to know the difference between an asset and a liability. Once you understand the difference, concentrate your efforts on only buying income generating assets. That’s the best way to get started on a path to becoming rich. Keep doing that, and your asset column will grow. Focus on keeping liabilities and expenses down. This will make more money available to continue pouring into the asset column. Soon, the asset base will be so deep that you can afford to look at more speculative investments. Investments that may have returns of 100 percent to infinity. Investments that for $5000 are soon turned into $1 million or more. Investments that the middle class calls “too risky.” The middle class buys liabilities they think are assets.
Chapter 4: Mind your own business
Ray knew that the primary business focus was to sell hamburger franchises, but what he never lost sight of was the location of each franchise. He knew that the real estate and its location was the most significant factor in the success of each franchise. Today, McDonald’s owns some of the most valuable intersections and street corners in America, as well as in other parts of the world.
Financial struggle is often directly the result of people working all their life for someone else. Many people will have nothing at the end of their working days. The mistake in becoming what you study is that too many people forget to mind their own business. They spend their lives minding someone else’s business and making that person rich. The primary reason the majority of the poor and middle class are fiscally conservative-which means, “I can’t afford to take risks”-is that they have no financial foundation. They have to cling to their jobs. They have to play it safe.
A new car loses nearly 25 percent of the price you pay for it the moment you drive it of the lot. So what kind of assets am I suggesting that you or your children acquire? Businesses that do not require my presence. I own them, but they are managed or run by other people. If I have to work there, it’s not a business. It becomes my job. As a young boy, my educated dad encouraged me to find a safe job. My rich dad, on the other hand, encouraged me to begin acquiring assets that I loved. “If you don’t love it, you won’t take care of it.” I like starting companies, not running them. So my stock buys are usually of small companies, and sometimes I even start the company and take it public. Fortunes are made in new stock issues, and I love the game. With small companies, my investment strategy is to be out of the stock in a year. My real estate strategy, on the other hand, is to start small and keep trading the properties up for bigger properties and, therefore, delaying paying taxes on the gain. This allows the value to increase dramatically. I generally hold real estate less than seven years.
When I say mind your own business, I mean to build and keep your asset column strong. Once a dollar goes into it, never let it come out. Think of it this way, once a dollar goes into your asset column, it becomes your employee. Keep your daytime job, be a great hard working employee, but keep building that asset column. As your cash flow grows, you can buy some luxuries. Rich people buy luxuries last, while the poor and middle class tend to buy luxuries first.
Chapter 5: The history of taxes and the power of corporations
A corporation is merely a file folder with some legal documents in it, sitting in some attorney’s office registered with a state government agency. A corporation is merely a legal document that creates a legal body without a soul. Certain expenses could be paid with pre-tax dollars within the corporation.
Average Americans today work five to six months for the government before they make enough to cover their taxes. The harder you work, the more you pay the government. The tax code of the United States also allows other ways to save on taxes. Most of these vehicles are available to anyone, but it is the rich who usually look for them because they are minding their own business. For example, 1031 is jargon for Section 1031 of the Internal Revenue Code, which allows a seller to delay paying taxes on a piece of real estate that is sold for a capital gain through an exchange for a more expensive piece of real estate. Real estate is one investment vehicle that allows such a great tax advantage.
You may remember the first lesson I learned from my rich dad. I was a little boy of 9 who had to sit and wait for him to choose to talk to me. I often sat in his office waiting for him to “get to me.” He was ignoring me on purpose. He wanted me to recognize the power and desire to have that power for myself one day. For all the years I studied and learned from him, he always reminded me that knowledge was power. And with money comes great power that requires the right knowledge to keep it and make it multiply. Without that knowledge, the world pushes you around. Rich dad constantly reminded Mike and me that the biggest bully was not the boss or the supervisor, but the tax man. The tax man will always take more if you let him. The first lesson of having money work for me, as opposed to working for money, is really all about power. If you work for money, you give up the power to your employer. If your money works for you, you keep and control the power. While still an employee for Xerox, I formed my first corporation and began minding my own business.
Many employers feel that advising their workers to mind their own business is bad business. I am sure it can be for certain individuals. But for me, focusing on my own business, developing assets, made me a better employee. I now had a purpose. I came in early and worked diligently, amassing as much money as possible so I could begin investing in real estate. Hawaii was just set to boom, and there were fortunes to be made. The more I realized we were in the beginning stages of a boom, the more Xerox machines I sold. The more I sold, the more money I made, and, of course, the more deductions there were from my paycheck. It was inspiring. I wanted out of the trap of being an employee so badly that I worked harder, not less. By 1978, I was consistently one of the top five salespeople in sales, often no. 1. I badly wanted out of the rat race. In less than three years, I was making more money in my own little corporation, which was a real estate holding company, than I was making at Xerox. My money was working hard to make more money. Each dollar in my asset column was a great employee, working hard to make more employees and buy the boss a new Lamborghini with before tax dollars.
An individual with the knowledge of the tax advantages and protection provided by a corporation can get rich so much faster than someone who is an employee or a small business sole proprietor. It’s like the difference between someone walking and someone flying. For example; by owning your own corporation-vacations are board meetings in Hawaii. Car payments, insurance, repairs are company expenses. Health club membership is a company expense. Most restaurant meals are partial expenses. An on and on-but do it legally with pre-tax dollars. There are many books written on the subject that will detail the benefits and even walk you through the steps necessary to set up a corporation. One book in particular, Inc. and Grow Rich provides a wonderful insight into the power of personal corporations.
Chapter 6: The rich invent money
Once we leave school, most of us know that it is not as much a matter of college degrees or good grades that count. In the real world outside of academics, something more than just grades is required. I have heard it called “guts,” “chutzpah,” “balls,” “audacity,” “bravado,” “cunning,” “daring,” “tenacity” and “brilliance.” This factor, whatever it is labeled, ultimately decides one’s future much more than school grades. Often in the real world, it’s not the smart that get ahead but the bold.
Today, I find so many people struggling, often working harder, simply because they cling to old ideas. They want things to be the way they were; they resist change. I know people who are losing their jobs or their houses, and they blame technology or the economy or their boss. Sadly they fail to realize that they might be the problem. Limiting your options is the same as hanging on to old ideas. I have a friend from high school who now works at three jobs. Twenty years ago, he was the richest of all my classmates. When the local sugar plantation closed, the company he worked for went down with the plantation. In his mind, he had but one option, and that was the old option: work hard. The problem was, he couldn’t find an equivalent job that recognized his seniority in the old company. As a result, he is overqualified for the jobs he currently has, so his salary is lower. He now works three jobs to earn enough to survive.
Most people have an opportunity of a lifetime flash right in front of them, and they fail to see it. A year later, they find out about it, after everyone got rich. Few people realize that luck is created. Just as money is. And if you want to be luckier and create money instead of working hard, then your financial intelligence is important. If you are the kind of person who is waiting for the “right” thing to happen, you might wait for a long time. It’s like waiting for all the traffic lights to be green for five miles before starting the trip.
I will give you a simple example of creating money. In the early 1990s the economy of Phoenix was horrible. I was watching the TV show “Good Morning America” when a financial planner came on and began forecasting doom and gloom. His advice was to save money. Put $100 away every month, he said, and in 40 years you will be a multimillionaire. As I said, the economy was terrible at that time. For investors this is the perfect market condition. A chunk of my money was in the stock market and in apartment houses. I was short of cash. Because everyone was giving stuff away, I was buying. I was not saving money; I was investing. My wife and I had more than a million dollars in cash working in a market that was rising fast. It was the best opportunity to invest. The economy was terrible. I just could not pass up these small deals. Houses that were once $100,000 were now $75,000. But instead of shopping at the local real estate office, I began shopping at the bankruptcy attorney’s office, or the courthouse steps. In these shopping places, a $75,000 house could sometimes be bought for $20,000 or less. For $2,000, which was loaned to me from a friend for 90 days for $200, I gave an attorney a cashier’s check as a down payment. While the acquisition was being processed, I ran and ad in the paper advertising a $75,000 house for only $60,000 and no money down. The phone rang hard and heavy. The house sold in a few minutes, I asked for a $2,500 processing fee, which they gladly handed over, and the escrow and title company took over from there. I returned the $2,000 to my friend with an additional $200.
I have people ask what happens if the person doesn’t pay. That does happen, and it’s good news. The Phoenix real estate market, from 1994 to 1997, has been one of the hottest in the nation. That $60,000 home would be taken back and resold for $70,000, and another $2,500 is collected as a loan processing fee. So if you’re quick, the first time I sold the house, I paid back the $2,000. Technically I have no money in the transaction. The point I would like to make is that investments come and go, the market goes up and goes down, economies improve and crash.
Personally, I use two main vehicles to achieve financial growth: real estate and small stocks. I use real estate as my foundation. Day in and day out, my properties provide cash flow and occasional spurts of growth in value. The small cap stocks are used for fast growth. My overall philosophy is to plant seeds inside my asset column. That is my formula. I start small and plant seeds. Some grow; some don’t. Inside our real estate corporation, we have several million dollars’ worth of property. It is our own REIT, or real estate investment trust. The point I’m making is that most of those millions started out as little as $5,000 to $10,000 investments. All of those down payments were fortunate to catch a fast rising market, increase tax free, trading in and out several times over a number of years. We buy high risk, speculative private companies that are about to go public on a stock exchange in the U.S. or Canada. An example of how fast gains can be made are 100,000 shares purchased for 25 cents each before the company goes public. Six months later, the company is listed, and the 100,000 shares are now worth $2 each.
The idea in anything is to use your technical knowledge, wisdom and love of the game to cut the odds down, to lower the risk. What I do is small potatoes in the scheme of things, yet for the average individual, a passive income of more than $100,000 a year is nice and not hard to achieve. Depending on the market and how smart you are, it could be done in five to ten years. If you keep your living expenses modest, $100,000 coming in as additional income is pleasant, regardless of whether you work. You can work if you like or take time off if you chose and use the government tax system in your favor, rather than against you. If I make great profits in the stock market, I pay my capital gains tax on the gain and then reinvest what’s left in real estate, again further securing my asset foundation.
I have traveled all over the world and taught investing. In every city, I hear people say you cannot buy real estate cheap. That is not my experience. Even in New York or Tokyo, just on the outskirts of the city, are prime bargains overlooked by most people. In Singapore, currently undergoing high real estate prices, there are still bargains to be found within a short driving distance. So whenever I hear someone say, “You can’t do that here,” pointing at me, I remind them that maybe the real statement is, “I don’t know how to do that here…yet.” Great opportunities are not seen with your eyes. They are seen with your mind. You see with your mind what others miss with their eyes. For example, a friend bought this rundown house. It was spooky to look at. Everyone wondered why he bought it. What he saw that we did not was that the house came with four extra empty lots. He realized that by going to the title company. After buying the house, he tore it down and sold the five lots to a builder for three times what he paid for the entire package.
To get started, I learned how to buy houses without a bank. It was not so much the houses, but the learned skill of raising money that is priceless. All too often I hear people say, “The bank won’t lend me money.” Or “I don’t have the money to buy it.” A majority of people let their lack of money stop them from making a deal. If you can avoid that obstacle, you will be millions ahead of those who don’t learn those skills.
Intelligent people are those who work with or hire a person who is more intelligent than they are.
Chapter 7: Work to learn don’t work for money
I am constantly shocked at how little talented people earn. I heard the other day that less than 5 percent of Americans earn more than $100,000 a year. I have met brilliant, highly educated people who earn less than $20,000 a year. A business consultant who specializes in the medical trade was telling me how many doctors, dentist and chiropractors struggle financially. All this time, I thought that when they graduated, the dollars would pour in. It was this business consultant who gave me the phrase, “They are one skill away from great wealth.”
Rich dad explained to me that the hardest part of running a company is managing people. Returning from Vietnam in 1973, I resigned my commission, even though I loved flying. I found a job with Xerox Corp. I joined it for one reason, and it was not for the benefits. I was a shy person, and the thought of selling was the most frightening subject in the world. Xerox has one of the best sales training programs in America. I worked with Xerox for four years until I overcame my fear of knocking on doors and being rejected. Once I could consistently be in the top five in sales, I again resigned and moved on, leaving another great career with an excellent company. Rich dad had groomed Mike and me to take over companies. So I now had to learn to form them and put them together. My first product, the nylon and Velcro wallet, was manufactured in the Far East and shipped to a warehouse in New York, near where I had gone to school. My formal education was complete, and it was time to test my wings. If I failed, I went broke. Rich dad thought it was best to go broke before 30. “You still have time to recover” was his advice. On my 30th birthday, my first shipment left Korea for New York.
Today, I still do business internationally. And as my rich dad encouraged me to do, I keep seeking the emerging nations. Today my investment company invests in South America, Asia, Norway and Russia.
Unfortunately, there is some truth to the old statement “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.” Unless a person is used to changing, it’s hard to change. But for those of you who might be on the fence when it comes to the idea of working to learn something new, I offer this word of encouragement: Life is much like going to the gym. The most painful part is deciding to go. Once you get past that, it’s easy. There have been many days I have dreaded going to the gym, but once I am there and in motion, it is a pleasure. After the workout is over, I am always glad I talked myself into going. When I ask the classes I teach, “How many of you can cook a better hamburger than McDonald’s?” almost all the students raise their hands. I then ask, “So if most of you can cook a better hamburger, how come McDonald’s makes more money than you?” The answer is obvious: McDonald’s is excellent at business systems. The reason so many talented people are poor is because they focus on building a better hamburger and know little to nothing about business systems.
The world is filled with talented poor people. All too often, they’re poor or struggle financially or earn less than they are capable of, not because of what they know but because of what they do not know. They focus on perfecting their skills at building a better hamburger rather than the skills of selling and delivering the hamburger. Maybe McDonald’s does not make the best hamburger, but they are the best at selling and delivering a basic average burger.
For the World War II generation, it was considered “bad” to skip from company to company. Today, it is considered smart. Since people will skip from company to company, rather than seek greater specialization, why not seek to “learn” more than you “earn.” In the short term, it may earn you less. In the long term, it will pay off large dividends. The most important specialized skills are sales and understanding marketing. It is the ability to sell, therefore, to communicate to another human being, be it a customer, employee, boss, spouse or child, that is the base skill of personal success. I know of no other skills to be more important than selling as well as marketing. The skills of selling and marketing are difficult for most people primarily due to their fear of rejection. Being technically specialized has its strengths as well as its weaknesses. I have friends who are geniuses, but they cannot communicate effectively with other human beings and, as a result, their earnings are pitiful.
Chapter 8: Overcoming obstacles
I’ve never met someone rich who has never lost money. So for most people, the reason they don’t win financially is because the pain of losing money is far greater than the joy of being rich. For winners, losing inspires them. For losers, losing defeats them. Quoting John D. Rockefeller, “I always tried to turn every disaster into an opportunity.” And being Japanese American, I can say this. Many people say that Pearl Harbor was an American mistake. I say it was a Japanese mistake. From the movie Tora, Tora, Tora, a somber Japanese admiral says to his cheering subordinates, “I am afraid we have awakened a sleeping giant.” “Remember Pearl Harbor” became a rallying cry. It turned one of America’s greatest losses into the reason to win. This great defeat gave America strength, and America soon emerged as a world power. The main reason that over 90 percent of the American public struggles financially is because they play not to lose. They don’t play to win.
If you have any desire of being rich, you must focus. Put a lot of your eggs in a few baskets. Do not do what poor and middle class people do: put their few eggs in many baskets. Losers avoid failing. And failure turns losers into winners. I hold a small portion of my assets in tax lien certificates instead of CDs. I earn 16 percent per year on my money, which certainly beats the 5 percent the bank offers. The certificates are secured by real estate and enforced by state law, which is also better than most banks. The formula they’re bought on makes them safe. They just lack liquidity. So I look at them as 2 to 7 year CDs. Almost every time I tell someone, especially if they have money in CDs, that I hold my money this way, they will tell me it’s risky. They tell me why I should not do it. When I ask them where they get their information, they say from a friend or an investment magazine. They’ve never done it, and they’re telling someone who’s doing it why they shouldn’t. The lowest yield I look for is 16 percent, but people who are filled with doubt are willing to accept 5 percent. Doubt is expensive.
“Cynics never win,” said rich dad. “Unchecked doubt and fear creates a cynic. Cynics criticize, and winners analyze” was another of his favorite sayings. Rich dad explained that criticism blinded while analysis opened eyes. Analysis allowed winners to see that critics were blind, and to see opportunities that everyone else missed. And finding what people miss is key to any success. Real estate is a powerful investment tool for anyone seeking financial independence or freedom. It is a unique investment tool. Yet, every time I mention real estate as a vehicle, I often hear, “I don’t want to fix toilets.” That’s what Peter Lynch calls “noise.” That’s what my rich dad would say is the cynic talking. Someone who criticizes and does not analyze. Someone who lets their doubts and fears close their mind instead of open their eyes. “I don’t wants’ hold the key to your success,” rich dad would say. Because I, too, do not want to fix toilets, I shop hard for a property manager who does fix toilets. And by finding a great property manager who runs houses or apartments, well, my cash flow goes up. But more importantly a great property manager allows me to buy a lot more real estate since I don’t have to fix toilets. A great property manager is key to success in real estate. Finding a good manager is more important to me than the real estate. A great property manager often hears of great deals before real estate agents do, which makes them even more valuable.
Rich dad forbade the words “I can’t afford it.” In my real home, that’s all I heard. Instead, rich dad required his children to say, “How can I afford it?” His reasoning, the words “I can’t afford it” shut down your brain. It didn’t have to think anymore. “How can I afford it?” opened up the brain. Forced it to think and search for answers. “I can’t afford it” also brings up sadness. A helplessness that leads to despondency and often depression. “Apathy” is another word. “How can I afford it?” opens up possibilities, excitement and dreams. So rich dad was not so concerned about what you wanted to buy, but that “How can I afford it?” created a stronger mind and a dynamic spirit. When I decided to exit the rat race, it was simply a question. How can I afford to never work again?
New inventions are made because we desire something better.
“You see, government bill collectors are big bullies. So are bill collectors in general. Most people give into these bullies. They pay them and never pay themselves. You know the story of the 96 pound weakling who gets sand kicked in his face?” I nodded. “I see that ad for weightlifting and bodybuilding lessons in the comic books all the time.” “Well, most people let the bullies kick sand in their faces. I decided to use the fear of the bully to make me stronger. Others get weaker. Forcing myself to think about how to make extra money is like going to the gym and working out with weights. The more I work my mental money muscles out, the stronger I get. Now, I’m not afraid of those bullies. I liked what rich dad was saying. “So if I pay myself first, I get financially stronger, mentally and fiscally.” Rich dad nodded. “And if I pay myself last, or not at all, I get weaker. So people like bosses, managers, tax collectors, bill collectors and landlords push me around all my life. Just because I don’t have good money habits.”
Chapter 9: Getting started
I have lost money and been set back many times, but it was the deep emotional reasons that kept me standing up and going forward. I wanted to be free by age 40, but it took me until I was 47 with many learning experiences along the way. As I said, I wish I could say it was easy. It wasn’t but it wasn’t hard either. But without a strong reason or purpose, anything in life is hard.
Financially, with every dollar we get in our hands, we hold the power to choose our future to be rich, poor or middle class. Our spending habits reflect who we are. Poor people simply have poor spending habits. A friend of mine, who is a rich woman, recently had her apartment burglarized. The thieves took her TV and VCR and left all the books she reads. And we all have that choice. Again, 90 percent of the population buys TV sets and only about 10 percent buy books on business or tapes on investments. In 1973, I was watching TV and this guy came on advertising a three day seminar on how to buy real estate for nothing down. I spent $385 and that course has made me at least $2 million, if not more. I take a long view on my wealth. I do not subscribe to the “Get rich quick” mentality most lottery players or casino gamblers have. I may go in and out of stocks, but I am long on education. If you want to fly an airplane, I advise taking lessons first. I am always shocked at people who buy stocks or real estate, but never invest in their greatest asset, their mind. Just because you bought a house or two does not make you an expert at real estate.
I’ve noticed that my friends with money talk about money. And I do not mean brag. They’re interested in the subject. So I learn from them, and they learn from me. My friends, whom I know are in dire straits financially, do not like talking about money, business or investing. They often think it is rude or unintellectual. So I also learn from my friends who struggle financially. I find out what not to do. Don’t listen to poor or frightened people. When it comes to money, especially investments, “The sky is always falling.” They can always tell you why something won’t work. I have had more close friends try to talk to me out of a deal or an investment. A few years ago, a friend told me he was excited because he found a 6 percent CD. I told him I earn 16 percent from the state government. The next day he sent me an article about why my investment was dangerous. I have received 16 percent for years now, and he still receives 6 percent.
I would say that one of the hardest things about wealth building is to be true to yourself and be willing to not go along with the crowd. For in the market, it is usually the crowd that shows up late and is slaughtered. If a great deal is on the front page, it’s too late in most instances. Look for a new deal. As we used to say as surfers: “There is always another wave.” People who hurry and catch a wave late usually are the ones who wipe out. Smart investors don’t time markets. If they miss a wave, they search for the next one and get themselves in position. Wise investors buy an investment when it’s not popular. They know their profits are made when they buy, not when they sell. They wait patiently. As I said, they do not time the market. Just like a surfer, they get in position for the next big swell. It’s all “insider trading.” There are forms of insider trading that are illegal, and there are forms of insider trading that are legal. But either way, it’s insider trading. The only distinction is how far away from the inside are you? The reason you want to have rich friends who are close to the inside is because that is where the money is made.
Years ago, when I was 26, I took a weekend class called How to Buy Real Estate Foreclosures. I learned a formula. The next trick was to have the discipline to actually put into action what I had learned. That is where most people stop. For three years, while working for Xerox, I spent my spare time learning to master the art of buying foreclosures. Most junior colleges and community colleges have classes on financial planning and buying of traditional investments. They are great places to start.
I would venture to say that it is the lack of personal self-discipline that is the no. 1 delineating factor between the rich, the poor and the middle class. The world pushes people around not because other people are bullies, but because the individual lacks internal control and discipline. An individual who chooses to pay himself first. Each month, they allocate money to their asset column before they pay their monthly expenses.
I actually have liabilities that are higher than 99 percent of the population, but I don’t pay for them; other people pay for my liabilities. They’re called tenants.
Poor people have poor habits. A common bad habit is innocently called “Dipping into savings.” The rich know that savings are only used to create more money, not to pay bills. Today, I have expensive attorneys, accountants, real estate brokers and stockbrokers. Why? Because if, and I do mean if, these people are professionals, their services should make you money. And the more money they make, the more money I make. A good broker saves me time in addition to making me money-as when I bought the piece of vacant land for $9,000 and sold it immediately for $25,000, so I could buy my Lamborghini quicker. What I find funny is that so many poor and middle class people insist on tipping restaurant help 15 to 20 percent even for bad service and complain about paying a broker 3 to 7 percent. They enjoy tipping people in the expense column and stiffing people in the asset column.
All brokers are not created equal. Unfortunately, most brokers are only salespeople. I would say the real estate salespeople are the worst. They sell, but they themselves own little or no real estate. When I interview any paid professional, I first find out how much property or stocks they personally own and what percentage they pay in taxes. And that applies to my tax attorney as well as my accountant. I have an accountant who minds her own business. Her profession is accounting, but her business is real estate. Find a broker who has your best interests at heart. Many brokers will spend the time educating you, and they could be the best asset you find. Just be fair, and most of them will be fair to you. If all you can think about is cutting their commissions, then why should they want to be around you? It’s just simple logic.
As I said earlier, one of the management skills is the management of people. Many people only manage people they feel smarter than and they have power over, such as subordinates in a work situation. Many middle managers remain middle managers, failing to get promoted because they know how to work with people below them, but not with people above them. The real skill is to manage and pay well the people who are smarter than you in some technical area. Frequently, my broker will call me and recommend I move a sizeable amount of money into the stock of a company that he feels is just about to make a move that will add value to the stock, like announcing a new product. I will move my money in for a week to a month while the stock moves up. Then, I pull my initial dollar amount out, and stop worrying about the fluctuations of the market, because my initial money is back and ready to work on another asset. So my money goes in, and then it comes out, and I own an asset that was technically free.
I have lost money on many occasions. But I only play with money I can afford to lose. I would say, on an average of ten investments, I hit home runs on two or three, while five or six do nothing, and I lose on two or three. But I limit my losses to only the money I have in at that time.
Ray Kroc, of McDonald’s fame, sold hamburger franchises, not because he loved hamburgers, but because he wanted the real estate under the franchise for free.
Assets buy luxuries. As I said in the section “Pay Yourself First,” if a person cannot master the power of self discipline, it is best not to try to get rich. For a while the process of developing cash flow from an asset column in theory is easy, it is the mental fortitude of directing money that is hard. Due to external temptations, it is much easier in today’s consumer world to simply blow it out the expense column. Because of a weak mental fortitude, that money flows in to the paths of least resistance. That is the cause of poverty and financial struggle. We go to school to learn a profession so we can work for money. It is my opinion that it is also important to learn how to have money work for you. Too often today, we focus to borrowing money to get the things we want instead of focusing on creating money.
Chapter 10: Still want more? Here are some to do’s
Find someone who has done what you want to do. Take them to lunch. Ask them for tips, for little tricks of the trade. As for 16 percent tax lien certificates, I went to the county tax office and found the government employee who worked in the office. I found out that she, too, invested in tax liens. Immediately, she was invited to lunch. She was thrilled to tell me everything she knew and how to do it. After lunch, she spent all afternoon showing me everything. By the next day, I found two great properties with her help and have been accruing interest at 16 percent ever since. It took a day to read the book, a day to take action, and hour for lunch, and a day to acquire two great deals.
I always make offers with escape clauses. In real estate, I make an offer with the words “subject to approval of business partner.” I never specify who the business partner is. Most people do not know my partner is my cat. If they accept the offer, and I don’t want the deal, I call my home and speak to my cat.
For there to be a profit in a deal, there must be two elements: a bargain and change. There are lots of bargains, but its change that turns a bargain into a profitable opportunity. As for stocks, I like Peter Lynch’s book Beating the Street for his formula for selecting stocks that grow in value. I have found that the principles of finding value are the same regardless if it’s real estate, stocks, mutual funds, new companies, a new pet, a new home, a new spouse, or a bargain on laundry detergent. Look in the right places. A neighbor bought a condominium for $100,000. I bought the identical condo next door to his for $50,000. He told me he’s waiting for the price to go up. I told him that his profit is made when you buy, not when you sell. He shopped with a real estate broker who owns no property of her own. I shopped at the foreclosure department of my bank. I paid $500 for a class on how to do this.
I look for people who want to buy first, then I look for someone who wants to sell. Buy the pie and cut it in pieces. Most people look for what they can afford, so they look too small. They buy only a piece of the pie, so they end up paying more for less. Small thinkers don’t get the big breaks. Action always beats inaction.
Epilogue: How to pay for a child’s college education for only $7000
The year was 1991, and the real estate market in Phoenix was terrible. His primary concern was that he did not have the credit with the bank to buy another house, since he was so over extended. I assured him that there were other ways to finance a property other than through a bank. We found a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in a prime neighborhood. The owner had been downsized and needed to sell that day. He wanted $102,000, but we offered only $79,000. The home had on it what is called a non qualifying loan, which means even a bum without a job could buy it without a banker’s approval. The owner owed $72,000 so all my friend had to come up with was $7,000. My friend put the house up for rent. After all the expenses were paid, including the mortgage, he put about $125 in his pocket each month.
In 1994, the real estate market suddenly changed in Phoenix and he was offered $156,000 for the same house by the tenant who lived in it and loved it. Suddenly, he had nearly $80,000 to operate with. I called another friend in Austin, Texas who then rolled this tax deferred money into a mini storage facility. Within three months, he began receiving checks for a little less than a $1,000 a month in income which he then poured back into the college mutual fund that was now building much faster.
In 1996, the mini warehouse sold and he received a check for nearly $330,000 as proceeds from the sale which was again rolled into a new project that would throw off over $3,000 a month in income, again, going into the college mutual fund.
The idea that it takes money to make money is the thinking of financially unsophisticated people. It does not mean that they’re not intelligent. They simply haven’t learned the science of making money. Money is only an idea. If you want more money simply change your thinking. Every self-made person started small with an idea, and then turned it into something big. The same applies with investing. It takes only a few dollars to start and grow it into something big. I meet so many people who spend their lives chasing the big deal, or trying to mass a lot of money to get into a big deal, but to me that is foolish. Too often I have seen unsophisticated investors put their large nest egg into one deal and lose most of it rapidly. They may have been good workers but they were not good investors.
I think I have made my message clear. It’s what is in your head that determines what is in your hands. Money is only an idea. There is a great book called Think and Grow Rich. The title is not Work Hard and Grow Rich. Learn to have money work hard for you and your life will be easier and happier. Today, don’t play it safe, play it smart.
Em. I don’t know where you are coming from, but I’ll give you the same advice I would most other people. Don’t come back to California just to get away from something else. Coming here without a solid plan on how you will support yourself is a bad idea. This is especially true now because of the very bad shape California is in job wise (unless you are in a technical trade)
If you can somehow support yourself when you get here and loved it when you were here, than by all means come back. But don’t do it without coming up with some reasonable way to live for a few months until you can get back on your feet.
Terrence,
I find your blog interesting and have never really read a blog or replied to a blog before. I am also Asian and moved from half way around the world in the Philippines to Chicago when I was one and my parents, grandmother and I lived in a one bedroom apartment.
I grew up in WV, and have lived in VT, VA, NC, SC, FL and in Torrance, CA for a year during 2001 when I was 30 at the time. I am currently living in Vegas planning on moving back to LA when I can find steady employment to save money to move back.
LA is the only place that I felt like home where you can find anything you want inasmuch as having the whole east coast crammed into one city. Despite having to abandon my college degrees and student loans I want to move back as bad as someone living in Mexico willing to risk it all to cross the border.
Any thoughts on moving to California with no money, student loan debt and no car after having a life changing experience and deciding I do not want to be a Chiropractor any more since Chiropractic is a scam and the first commandment says thou shall not steal so I no longer wish to be a professional criminal.
I imagine anything is possible since people do move to California with absolutely nothing except the desire to live a better life and history repeats itself because man will ever be animated by the same passions…
HEY TERRENCE: im trying my hardest to move to L.A but im trying to do acting and tv hosting and i see on craigslist the have alot of ads for that and were i live in N.C they have no auditions here at all and i will love to go to N.Y but its to cold up there so when i saw your blog it really helped me to really look into what im trying to do so thanks for the advice…..im just just trying to figure out were to start
Hi,
I have the itch to move, like so many others and am a firm believer that you should try to move where you want to spend your weekends. Bay area is it for me but damn, it is expensive. Well, I make about 100k a year and am going to another company for a lateral move but will be a virtual job where I work from home except when traveling to client sites 50 – 75% of the time.
My question is how can I reduce my expenses moving from the exorbitant DC Metro area? I’ll save on only having to commute roundtrip to the airport once per week when traveling and food will be reimbursed during the week when on the road. Little gas and mtc. required for my car.
Does this open up options for me. I’ve acquired a lot of debt over the years so paying that down. It is most of my take home so don’t have much saved up.
Easy transition or should I move to Tupelo, MS and save oodles first before considering a move?
Hi,
I have the itch to move, like so many others and am a firm believer that you should try to move where you want to spend your weekends. Bay area is it for me but damn, it is expensive. Well, I make about 100k a year and am going to another company for a lateral move but will be a virtual job where I work from home except when traveling to client sites 50 – 75% of the time.
My question is how can I reduce my expenses moving from the exorbitant DC Metro area? I’ll save on only having to commute roundtrip to the airport once per week when traveling and food will be reimbursed during the week when on the road. Little gas and mtc. required for my car.
Does this open up options for me. I’ve acquired a lot of debt over the years so paying that down. It is most of my take home so don’t have much saved up.
Easy transition or should I move to Tupelo, MS and save oodles first before considering a move?
Save first.
First of all thanks for this article it is very precise and realistic, both things i like when talking about such and important topic like moving. I want to start off by giving you a little info about me and why i want to move to California. I am 19 years old, have a 2 years old son and a sister who currently is unemployed and lives with me. I am originally from Cuba came to this country 10 years ago. I curretly live in Nevada a dry, unfriendly, uninviting place. I come from an island .10 years in this country and i still havent gotten use to the heat here, Winter is extremely cold as well. The idea to move to California was my sisters she is 21 and a model. The modeling jobs offered here in Vegas are stripping or escorting, nothing more. She wants to further her career and become an actress, now i know 98% of the population in California aspire for the same thing, but she is determined. We have no family besides us 3, so I am the supporter in this situation. I am not a big fan of Vegas myself and often times have been persuaded by strangers to also get into modeling, i myself dont like that. I study Massage Therapy and have about a year to finish. I dont want to be in Vegas for another year. I have worked in Fashion and Sales for quite some time now. My question is do you think we can make it with a 2 year old?. Also what do you think will be the best place to move to if we do that is close to hollywood for her auditions. , safe for my son . I dont want to be living in a dump eighter . I do have 5,000 saved up but i wouldnt know what to do to start this process. II am scared and intimidated after reading your article. We are very smart mature young woman very driven and ambitious but i realized in this country you need to have a degree to get anywere. I would love to hear your thoughts and advise for my situation. Thank you. btw sorry for the typ’os its very late and i am typing in the dark
I am a 17 year old singer sing writer and will be moving to California on the 12th of June. guess you could say running away to start my career and live my life. I will be movin’ there by flight and will bring what All i can fit in a suit case, but thats pretty much it. Im planning on selling all uneeded things so i would have more money once i get there.
As soon as I land I will be searching for a job. though it will take alot of time out of my work being a nanny would provide a roof over my head. I have 1,879 dollars saved up just from sellin’ uneeded belongings for the move. and have a limited savings. would that be enough to start out?
If all goes over well I would not have to be a nanny I would just stay with my friends Uncle witch happens to be in the buisness of stage lighting. so thats very helpful. But I would still need a job. does this plan sound like it would work? If not could you give me some advice. I have already decided the day I am moving so that cant be changed but anything else?
Thanks,
Jacquie
Jacquie,
Please read above your post and research. NOT a good idea and may be one of the WORST mistakes of your life.
Don’t do it, especially at your young and impressionable age.
Idiot.
Hope you make it. It’s a good idea. There are so many opportunities.
LOL Too funny. You are so wrong but thanks for the laugh.
I was wondering, did you go to college in California? I am 17 and in my senior year of high school and have been seriously considering going to an art school there. I wanted to know how diffucult you think it would be for me, from New Hampshire, to go to college there.
It would be easy if you have the money and talent. The bay area is a great place to attend art school.
Dear Terrence,
I’m moving from Ohio to Cali.. with no car. and maybe at most 50 bucks.. and a full food stamp card. ssn, birth certificate, and i.d, bags of clothes and a prepaid cellphone and mp3 player. am i all set to go? I’m 19.. and i know a lot about surviving but walking there.. i don’t know what would i do? hitchhike? also when i get there. i need to qualify for medical cannabis. i already researched the symptoms and i qualify. how do i go about doing that? with my ssn birth card and i d ? please email me at my brothers email. thank you very much. i plan on leaving this weekend so if u can get back to me soon. I’m sure it would help me more.
max..
Max I’m also getting ready to move from ohio. if you have not moved yet & are still looking to move please get a hold of me as maybe we can help one another out on this huge move.
Ok so I am coming fresh out of an abusive marraige, I am 27 & completly reliant of my social security check, my ex. has agreed to help with some of my costs till I get set up, I have litteraly 1person in cali that’s there for me, whom is already living with other people so I don’t have the option 2room&board there, im lookin 2 be in the pittsburg area I was there for half a month before coming back to ohio to prepair for my move. To be honest I dont even know where to start. my marraige i was kept trapped in a basment away from all forms of the outside world.. no doubt I knew it was time to make changes. I have a little bit of cash but still no clue what i’m doing. with winter settin in im sitting on 2weeks to find a place so i can move. I have no where else to go or stay. I am basicaly posting this cuz im no fool to knowing im going to need some help at first-I know where the local social office for assistance is but again can’t do much bout that till I get there. leading me to recognize its going to be at least 2-3months before I have all my assistance transferd. Its unsettling how many cheap living arrangements im running into that involve inappropriet payment methods. Im affraid it would end up where i have no choice in this. If anyone has any advice or anything I won’t be shy (I could use all the advice I can get). This move is actually the only option I have. I dont really have anyone else in the world where I can go. sad but true (yay for controlling ex’s joke)
Hey!
I’m a 23 year old guy from Northern Ireland. A friend and I are considering coming out for a 3 or 4 month period at the end of our degrees. (Sept 12 – Dec 12).
While we are coming out to enjoy ourselves we are gonna get a part time job to pay for the fun things. I’m also considering getting someform of an agent. I reckon that while I’m there, I might as well chance my arm in the entertainment industry.
Any advice?
Hey!
I’m a 23 year old guy from Northern Ireland. A friend and I are considering coming out for a 3 or 4 month period at the end of our degrees. (Sept 12 – Dec 12).
While we are coming out to enjoy ourselves we are gonna get a part time job to pay for the fun things. I’m also considering getting someform of an agent. I reckon that while I’m there, I might as well chance my arm in the entertainment industry.
Any advice?
Glenn
An irish accent barely got any1 out of the gutta,so m intriuged by wat knd of entatainment u wanna on try ur luck on ..jus enjoy ur vacation n 4gt bwt n cut da unnecessary costs
Hey Terrrence,my name is Agathoklis and i m from Greece!I’m always thinking to move to bay area chasing the start up dream !I have 10 grands of savings and a website project in the pipeline but my english sucks!I’m studying finance and management but i can to do a job to this section with this English level.I don’t even sleep with the ideas which comes up to my mind all night and i got stuck to this situation!Any idea?
best regards
Hi Terrence,
I lived in the East coast all my life, Philadelphia to be exact. I’ve been wanting to relocate to Cali, but do not know anyone from there. I have around 20k-40k saved up and a Bachelor’s degree. I am a web designer/developer. Would it be easy for me to relocate and find a job quickly?
Thanks!
Hi I am A single parent 26 year old with 2 children, and I plan to move to a different state like California. The thing is I have no plan, and I have never been to California. For people that have been there, I need some advice. I need a plan to start over with very little money and 2 children. I want to know if I can find a job easy while I am there and If I have 2 children with No help Is there any kind of help out there that will help me pay for daycare while I am working. I plan to have atleast 2 mths worth of money saved towards an apt snd see how well things go, if they don’t go so well then I can always go back home where I have a nice town home. But Detroit, Michigan is where me and my children live right now and this city and state is very dangerous and poor and Id rather raise my family anywhere but here. If u have some advice for me can you please send me an email @ mya54321@yahoo.com
No offense but you’d be beyond screwed. You have two kids and you can’t move just because you want to. You’re best bet would be stay put and better the current situation your in now. LA is a dangerous city too and can be gritty. If you want free child care that would most likely be through public assistance and that has to be done through a social worker and is another song & dance. Stay put and figure your stuff out, don’t bring your kids through a hell of a ride just because you need a “change”. It maybe cheaper to do counseling. In no way am I trying to be rude or disrespectful I am just being brutally honest. I am sure you’re a great Mom.
Im looking foward to becoming a famous actress, singer, dancer. Im going to move but my parents have no money. So i need to know if its free
Wow I cannot believe I found this blog. I am someone who always dreams of moving away from where I live .I live in the midwest kind of like one of the others who posted on this blog .I live in Wisconsin.I live on my own and I am not well off I don’t get paid very well. My thing is I am accustomed to life here in the sense that I am aware that living in hte midwest the cost of living is lower than places like California.I really wish I could move to San Francisco. I do not have a college degree but I have some college. I have already done stunts like leaving my hometown then coming back when my plans fell through but I also think I went to the wrong state.After moving away I came back with only a carload of my belongings then put my mind to finding a job once I was back I had to stay with a friend temporarily .I am struggling currently being on my own as well it would help if I had someone to live with the economy kind of sucks too. I understand and have weighed out the being responsible part .I am 39 years old, single and have no children.I have a cat and I adore him greatly.I think one of the reasons I sometimes would like to move away is because California seems like a more liberal place and a fun place to be .I havetalked to a lot of people and I know there are a lot of people hwo move out of California due to the cost of living etc but I went to San Francisco for the first time ever last year and I did stay at a hostel. A month later I went to Lose Angeles and stayed in a hostel as well.I find I do not like it here so much it could be maybe dissatisfaction with my personal life, income etc etc I have more than one time pondered the running away vs running to notion people have of those who desire to up and leave. I also given that I am kind of more liberal thought California would be a good place for me and I loved it there sooooooooooooo much.I really and truly hate the winters here immensely it is so bitter and cold.Also, I am a vegetarian and want to be somewhere interesting and more broad minded.I always perceive California as being a place that is more open minded than the good old midwest.Often times I hear a lot of people say yes but you have beautiful seasons there and midwesterners are much nicer and harder workers than some other places.I say people are people and wherever you go there you are.I really want a change.I am not well off. I do not have a college degree I work menial jobs.I am super thrifty and resourceful when it comes to skimping by and I am more creative minded.I feel like nothing falls into place for me here even if I did try to go to college, and I have a little bit which I cannot afford really any job I would want is not here anyhow and I don’t know what I want because I have not been exposed to some things.I do not per se think leaving where you live is a resolve to your problems and in fact it cancreate further problems and I know that jobs are hard to come by period I just wish I could start my life over. I hvae no savings.I am never getting ahead it seems IO am living to survive most of the time .I just keep wondering if I left would I find some avenue to go down which is more suited to me that I feel more passionate about ?I even try to change my attitude about where I live but am not able to .I am not well off but life creeps up on you too and if you do not take chances how will you ever know?I don’t ant to do something stupid as I already know how hard that is I almost wish I had someone in my life wh oshared the same idea as it might make it easier ffor me.
W,
You’re 39, what are you running away from at nearly 40 years old? Read everything above and you should be dissuaded from a really bad move. Stay where you are and figure your life out. San Francisco is NOT a place for you to, umm, figure out what you want to do.
C’mon now, read above.
Happy Holidays!
I just read the comment above…. I am too from wisconsin. I hate it here! I want to move to LA soooo Bad. I am a inspiring fashion designer, I have my products in some local stores in wisconsin. I have had contact with a couple stylist in LA and they all say I should be in LA, that is where I will make my money. Wisconsin has nothing to offer, it full of people who do not understand fashion. I hate the snow, and the freezing weather… and I lived here all my life
I feel like will never move foward with my dreams if I contiune to live in Milwaukee.
The promblem is, I have a child and I am a single mother. I am working towards completing my degree in business managemet. I work in customer service and I do not have a degree. I have over 7 years in the customer service field so I hope it will not be to hard to find a job. I have tried to save money but it seem like everytime I save something comes up, and I have to use that money for it. I am trying to figure out the best route to do this, because This is my dream and I want my son to have a better future. Does anybody have any suggestions or has anyone moved with a child and little money? The most I think I can come up with is about 1500.00…. PLease HELP!
I feel like most posters are not reading and hence, a never ending brick wall is in effect.
Hi Terrence,
I am thinking of moving with my boyfriend to Irvine, California in the mid of June or July 2012. My boyfriend had lived in Newport Beach and Irvine for several years and now he wants to moved back to Cali to be close to his daughter. We both held a good job. He’s a computer engineering and I am an accoutant. He also had Insurance Business going. I am from TN and some of my family are here. I do want a change in my life and TN is very boring state with less to do and shop. I love shopping and sightseeing. My daughter and I have a mixed feelings about moving to Cali. Will job be hard for me to find in the accounting field? I have a few money saving up and I will sale all of my furnitures if I decide to move. Would much appreciated any advise you can give me.
Happy Holidays!
So I did move to California (Los Angeles) with no money or more accurately with $500 besides a $150 plane ticket. And most of that was from the money I made selling off most of my DVD collection. I disagree with selling off the computer and iPod although if you have expensive versions you can sell them off for cheaper ones if they’re not important to your career. What I did was stay in a cheap hostel for a few days while I looked for housing. I found a week to week place and I spent $200 for two weeks. I also paid $75 for a metro pass for a month. Then I looked for jobs, ANY job. I found a great job with a movie theater, I definitely recommend that if you have little experience as you get free entertainment and a flexible schedule so you can look for another job and it was much better than your typical fast food job. Supermarkets can be good too.
Get money any (legal and ethical) way you can. Freelance, go online and look for anything, teach skills to people around you, volunteer and look for any opportunity to become paid. I saved up my money for my job and found a place 5 minutes from work (before my commute was 2-3 hours each way by bus/train) by the beach sharing an apartment. So yeah, I lived a block from the beach, had a decent job for my skill level and worked my way up to get better skill experience (marketing, scheduling, bartending) and connections. I also saved up to buy a car for $750 that works completely fine which helps a LOT in LA (you can survive without one better if you live in Santa Monica or Downtown esp if you work there).Now I’m going back to school and I’m well on my way to making a lot of money after college. So it CAN be done.
For me, California is WELL worth it beyond any amount of money it takes. Don’t be fooled by people saying the cost of living is super high. Yeah it can be if you have expensive tastes. But if you live cheaply (share an apartment! sleep on a couch), spend only on necessities (rent, food, cheap transportation, internet/go to the library), you can make it happen and work your way up. And yes, the internet can be a big help for improving your skills and finding the best places to turn to.
If moving to California is your dream, do it. Follow your dreams. It is the land of them after all.
Ashely,
This is great. I want to move to CA in the worst way. I am from MI and have children and a husband, but it is not an issue. The issue is jobs. I am a follower of Christ and God is calling me to minister to others and CA just keeps calling out to me (even before I was a Christian). My husband has lived on the streets in CA and has been all over CA. He is certainly the type of person who can live on nothing and survive, which is good for me because I have been kind of pampered. I agree, I am not going to sell my very personal items like my cell phone and kindle, but I can totally get by without our furniture now and we love junk store shopping so I am sure we could find things there. We do have a friend who lives in the Huntington Beach area and might be able to help us out.
I am glad I read your update. This makes me feel so much better about taking a chance/risk. I am being pushed by God to make this huge change in my life…as I said, I am kind of pampered and pretty sure He is trying to change me, ha ha. I hope things are still going well and keep on pushing hard for what you aiming for. God bless you!
AWESOME post! Thanks for encouraging others. I think many people needed to know and hear this!
God Bless you!
QUESTION!
Alright so i have been pondering on this decisions for months.
I am 17 living in the state of Washington and half my family lives in cali; which is where i want to live asap.
I want to become an orthodontist.
I am a senior in high school but im in running start which is a program where i attend college full time for free, my first two semesters consist of classes for high school but my last quarter is fully up to me. I will be getting my diploma with my high school class though.
Anywayyy.
My parents are extremly strict and i didnt take high school very serious till this year. Last time i checked i had a 3.27 cumulative gpa but after my first semester in the community college i attend i got a 4.0, 3.1 and 3.0 in my classes which is for high school but im not sure if it still counts as classes that i would need to take for an associates….
I want to move to cali once i get a car; i dont have a job because my parents wont allow me to get one.
I have family in cali that is completely supporting me with the decision to move in with them. they say that i should take loans to go to school as an orthodontist in california and they will provide me with a place to stay and food.
if i have the “basics” down should i go for it since it seems pretty do-able. if i dont get accepted to the schools in cali should i just stay in wa and finish my associates here and than move to cali an become a transfer? what diffrence would that make? My heart is set on being an orthodontist and living in cali and i dont want to spend a week longer here if i dont need to.
i was thinnking of doing on campus jobs if i do go to cali….
i dont know.
associates here in wa where i hate and be a transfer *dont know how that works* or move to cali after i graduate hs with family and go to community college there/ attend my dream university if i get accepted. which i doubt since i have a 3.2 with a low sat score. i just want to start living my life without my parents holding me back acting like i cant do anything on my own after all these years of their lessons and advice.
hi yall… just wanted to add to this.. even though i’m a little late…. I moved from Philadelphia to Santa Fe in winter of 05 looking for work and start school there…. within a few weeks it became evident there were NO jobs for 27 yr old white guys from Philly… i’m very artsy and intelligent and tough with a background in construction and insurance … (i became bored with that)… i had 40000 cash in my pocket when i left…..my girlfriend hated santa fe right off the bat and left for S.D., cali…. i followed suit a month later… that lasted a miserable 4 months…. no work.. and my $$ was flying out of the window… also Cali would not let me into their contractor loop…. with draconian laws making me a criminal for doing odd jobs without a license… F’ California… so i left … went back to new mex.. this time TAOS… i dug living in my travel trailer in the woods… it was great… i trained to be whitewater raft guide ! however i was duped… they took a 1000$ for training then said well seems we have tooo many guides good luck…. i was worried but stayed persistent and started a company videotaping whiterwater rafting trips… then was warned by the state for various BS reasons… so i stopped but was hired for rafting… when i look back i should of told the state to shove it and kept doing it… ive learned not to be afraid of anyone while living on the road… i continued to raft but only in the summer and moving back to Philly… that worked really well until i decided to make Taos home…. big mistake…. after dead tourist season after dead tourist season… i eventually was completely broke…. now i’m 40,000 in debt and out of business…. i think more about killing myself these days than even cracking a smile….. be careful!
I have faith in this guy; he’s a very talented artsy guy and all he needs is to get tougher!! I’ve seen his work; hes an amazing human being at that…I want to see that smile again and if it means buyin him a ticket to TAOS well I can make it happen! his #1 fan!
Hey! I’m 20 from New York. I plan to move out to LA HOPEFULLY this summer. I have about $8,000 (I know that’s not “no money”, but it isn’t much). I will obviously get a job as soon as I can. My best friend lives in Long Beach, so I have a place to stay when I get there (that’s if my mom doesn’t get me a hotel room). My best friend and I are moving in together. My mom will probably help with the move, but since we’re in this recession I don’t know how much she can spare for me. And plus, I don’t want her to pay anyway. Back on the topic, the place we’re looking at is in walking distance of pretty much everything we would need; grocery store, library (free internet and plus I love to read!), restaurants, coffee shops, public transportation. Seems pretty good and the rent is $750, but it’s only one bedroom which is okay.
All that information was probably not needed, but… I just want to know if $8,000 is enough to get started. Thanks!
Terrence, or whoever..lol,
I just turned 30, but am still a kid at heart, and have lived here in the northeast suburbs of Houston,TX my whole life and am really sick of it! I feel like I know everyone and everything about this place and it has become very mundane to say the least. Yes, we may have a decent economy here but our coastline is very polluted and just outright disgusting. Everything else is just a flat sandy mud-pit with not the slightest hint of a mountain. 3/4 of the year is 100+ degree weather combined with 90+ percent humidity. Fungus and morons run rampant! I am newly married with no kids and am looking for a place to live where I can be happy. My wife and I took our honeymoon in Maui and I really didnt want to come home! What a paradise! But I am not only looking for a beach. I just came home tonight from our vacation in Breckenridge, CO and am not feeling good about coming home! We are both sick of this place. The people are without culture, and boring. Probably due to the fact there is nothing to do here. combine that with the weather and we are ready to move, somewhere, anywhere! I have been thinking of California, and have dreamed of it since I was a teenager. We are both avid snow-skiers, and have vacationed in Breckenridge 3 times, and South lake Tahoe once, and of course our trip to Hawaii. It is my idea that we could move to Cali and have the beach to the west and the mountains to the east..The best of both worlds so to speak. But I really know nothing of the place except the week we spent in Tahoe last march. I have heard California can be very expensive but there must be places there similar to here as far as jobs and cost of living. My wife has a nursing degree and is working at a hospital here that has a branch in Bakersfield, But the wiki page on Bakersfield does not sound good. I am a contractor, and have built a small appliance business here which I am also tired of. But with my entrepreneurial skills I am fairly confident I could create something there just as I did here. How big of an economical mess is California really in? I find the media hard to trust, and am seeking the advise of some locals. What are the people like there? I have heard they are friendly and hospitable, but I have also heard they are cold, and selfish. So I am not sure what to believe. I don’t plan to move there with no money as the blog is titled, but would like to make the right preparations and have a good place to start my research. I am a fun-loving, intelligent, social, friendly person, as is my wife, and we are looking for our own little paradise to start a family. What are some good towns to research? Preferably northern California as we are sick baking in the hot sun! Sacramento? San Jose? Stockton? I am just looking at a map..What are good industries there? I am able to obtain a degree before we move, But am not sure what i would have the best chance with. I am trying to make a 4-5 year plan so a BS would be no sweat. Any advise will be greatly appreciated, the more points of view i can find will only multiply my chances of success!
Thank you,
your future neighbor….Andrew
Not sure your even paying attention to this anymore but..What do you think would be a reasonable amount of money to move to california with? I want to move due to weather. I currently have a great job but…i hate the north east its cold and evil. I currently have about 30,000 in the bank, and i throw another 2,000 in every month that i am here. Does that sound like a safe bet? Also I do work in a techniqual field so maybe I can fair a little better then others.
“There are only so many things you actually need. You need to have a roof over your head but you should have taken care of that by now. You need to have food. That is pretty much it. “. Ha.
hello there, i’ve been searching of how will i get to anaheim california. i’m from philippines, i wonder how it will cost me, and if it is easy. what if i come in there as tourist and find work? will that work to be remain staying there, is that possible for me? i have a friend already there to stay, so maybe i won’t be so worrying about the rent. maybe just the fare the travelling documents and if they will really allow me? pls. help me.. thank u
I am pursuing my dream of living in the West. I am only 19 years old. I will have only about 1500 bucks in my pocket and my car. I don’t know how I’m going to do it but anything is possible to me and I desperately want to pursue this dream. You seem to obviously know what your talking about so I was wondering if you could help me. Me still being 19 and this will be the first time out on my own Im still not sure how to world operates just yet. I know for a fact that 1500 will be nothing to live on for awhile while out there in California but I figured it would get me a place for about a month or so to get a job and keep the money flowing. I want to move to Moreno Valley, CA. I don’t know if you have ever been there or maybe even passed through but I need to know exactly what I am getting myself into. If you could be let me know. Thank you.
Sounds like a nightmare to me! Tack another zero on to the back of your 1500 and maybe that’ll get you through a few more months. Research, plan, save, get a college degree, get a job, save some more, network, get a better job etc.
Some people say you can make it, some people say that you can’t make it…oh well, that’s life I guess. Things are always complicated.
Anyway, I’m also one of the folks who want to movie to Cali. But I’m not the usual dreamer. I’m 26, live in Greece right now and my plan is to go to LA in September. My situation is kinda different, so I would REALLY appreciate an honest answer or advice from a Cali/LA person. I’ll be brief and I’ll go step by step:
1. I already went to LA in 2009 and I can honestly say that “adapting”, which I know is a big deal, is not gonna be a problem for me. I can definitely see myself working and living in that city. I’ve worked on movie sets, erotic boutiques here in Europe and of course the usual piece of crap jobs for no money – so I can definitely handle the tough jobs in LA. And I’m not picky.
2. I’ll arive on a student visa, specifically for language courses. I’m not going to school or university. Now, I don’t wanna brag or anything, but I can honestly say that my English is perfect. The biggest compliment for me was when a San Fran tourist in Greece, after hearing me speak, asked me what’s my home state in the US. So yes, my american accent is pretty good.
I only took these language courses because, believe it or not, it’s cheaper than coming with a tourist visa. Work visa would’ve been the best choice, but when it comes to that everything’s really tight right now.
On my first week I plan on contacting an immigration attorney in order for me to change my visa status. I know that a lot of people choose to stay in Cali illegally, but I don’t want to be that guy. I wanna play by the rules and do things the right way. If they don’t approve my documents, then so be it. At least I’ll know that I did everything the right way and I didn’t cheat.
3. I’ll arrive with close to $2000 in my pocket and for the first 3 weeks I’ll have a place to stay. During that time I’ll work on extending my stay or change my visa status – depends on what the immigration attorney says.
4. Now, the job thing. The unusual thing with me is that my current job is on the internet. I’m a movie journalist for the biggest film website in my country. Sounds good, but it’s not really the best job in the world. So my plan is to continue writing my articles on my laptop while I’m in Los Angeles and that way I’ll have some money coming to me from my country, through my bank account, while at the same time I’m looking for a “real” job in LA. Any kind of job. Like I said, I’m not picky. Btw, if I don’t receive a work permit, what kind of jobs can/should I look for?
5. Education: I’ll soon receive my elementary teacher bachelor’s degree and I’ve worked as a film journalist for almost 2 years now. I know movies and I know music. I know them well! So I’d be happy if I can can get a job at Blockbuster as a starter. It’s not exactly a perfect job, I know, but what are my chances? Will they hire me while I’m working on my visa status or they they’ll flat-out deny me if I don’t have the work permit yet? I’d like to think that they’ll hire me if they know that I’m working with an immigration attorney on my visa status? I mean, it’s not like I plan on staying illegally. Like I said, I want to follow the rules and do things the right way…..and hopefully they’ll recognize that. If you have any advice on that, please share it.
6. I’ve done my research and I know that Los Angeles, even though not a perfect city, is the place that I want to work and live. It’s my goal since I was a kid. I don’t have friends here, but to tell you the truth, that’s not going to be a problem for me. I consider myself a pretty decent guy and I know how to make friends. I know how to treat people and I know what I want to achieve in my life – film marketing and PR is my thing.
7. Last, but not least…actually that’s the most important thing: how’s Cali’s job situation right now and tell me honestly, is it a good idea for me to come this September? If I have to wait, how long, based on your observations, will I have to wait?
I’ll be 27 this year and my plan is to be in LA by the time I hit 30. After that, I think it’ll be too late.
Considering what I’ve said so far, what’s your advice for me? I really want to hear from a Cali person who’s aware of the situation on the ground.
Please, if you can, leave an answer. Long, short, doesn’t matter. You’ll help me a lot : )
You won’t find a real job without a work permit. It is illegal for them to hire you. If you are lucky, you can find ‘pay under table’ jobs. Good luck!
Hi, my name is Jessica I’m 21 and I’m looking to do an internship on the West Coast for the summer. I am interested in acting and want to intern at a talent agency…i’m not interested in Los Angeles but somewhere with beautiful beaches, nightlife and people my age. I want to meet geniune, relaxed artsy people like myself and am looking for the right part of Cali to reside in for the summer. San Fran is a dream of mine but i would like to start out somewhere smaller where i have a chance to be really be part of the community. ANY advice from someone who’s been there is amazing. Thanks for all your help!
Hello just come across this blog while searching for ways to live in ca…
like many im in a place where i want to get away from i hear many say saveup your money and get your education… but what if you not in the postition to do that?
so anyway im just going to get to the point ill be going to calling in a few days …even after reading everything here and many other sites i feel my need to get away outways the negitives sooo on the 16 of this months i will be there heres the thing iv been searching and iv yet to find a decent place to go im a litle confused but i have been leaning on san jose i will have little money maybe $400-500 to hold my self when i get there i can use all the info anyone can offer me regarding this ill be checking the blog asmuch as possible also if nay one wants to reach me on my email iv listed it i can use all the info and help i can get thanks for your time and i hope for a speedy responce… ^^
so let me say this. at the beginning of june this year, me, my sister, and our bestfriend are moving to california. im 19, my sister is 18, and our best friend is 17. like many of you we are moving bc of our past. we 3 did drugs and we did pills and drank almost everyday. the reason we are moving is not to run away but to start over. i have lived on my own and so has my sister. so i know the cost of living on ur own. however i need some advice on what i should do? please dont say not to move because we have already made up our minds and we are moving to cali. we just need to know of the best place to start out at and please pray for me seeing as ill need it for a safe move. please email me at show_choir2007@yahoo.com thank you soooo much.
Angelica, read. Did you take the time to read this forum before posting a question on what you should do? Do that and you shall find your answer.
Everyones desire to relocate is valid.Seeking the elusive American dream!!However positive thinking and self confidence are not enough.Most people feel they will move out quit their job and once they get to California everything will eventually “work out”.The right way to do it is to go to the city first and rent a room.Most renters will not rent to someone without employment verification,but someone will rent month to month with first and a deposit(with no credit check for those cash people that never borrow)Some people with no credit are the best renters since they pay with cash and never borrow or owe money.).They know you will HAVE to eventually get a job so that does not have to be an issue.Failure and giving up after facing the dilemma and quandry of needing a place then getting a job,and needing a job first to rent a place,is no option,if a person wanders around the streets thinking what am I going to do with no place and no job and relatively little money.Failure is no option because if a person regresses and goes back where they were with their” tail between their legs”they will face the same problem of being home(less) and unemployed where they came from.So stay where you want to be and rent a room,Now you will have 2 to 3 months to find a job any job OK There will always be time to UPGRADE…. See y’all later in San Francisco with 17000 people per square mile a few extra wont hurt will it???!!!LOL
Hey, liked the blog but I wanted to ask you a question. I don’t know if you have much info on florida, I will say though I’ve been through a rough couple of years in NC and frankly can’t stand this place, the beaches aren’t really that great and everything else is just….boring. Ready to make a move but the problem is by the time I get there. I’ll only have about $300 to live off of. I could find someone to stay with if I tried i’m sure. I have 4 months to go. I am a car detailer looking to do mobile detailing all accross miami if possible. I just want your opinion on this if it would be a good move in general. Thanks a lot. – David
anyone looking for a roommate in the down town la area?
I currently live in the LA area, and seeking an honest, clean roommate to share!
hello, this is derrek. do you have a contact #. i was wonering if you could work with me once i get to l.a and prorate my rent and give a small discount for the first month? im coming from texas and just wanted to touch base with you.
Hi, Im Gary Arceneaux. I live in New Orleans but need to move to Cali for a big reason. I am into screenwriting. I am Afr. Am. and currently live with my parents and i am 26.No one in my family is interested in my career. Saddest of all, most of them are jealous of me because i’m going for some thing big. I’ve been writing stories since i was about eight. Bummer. I do have a writing partner who lives in San Diego, California. Unfortunately, he stays with his mom and he’s at least 14 years my elder. He only wishes i could be there but i can’t. He tells me about film festivals and many other thing’s that I’ve never heard of that I must attend as a screenwriter to become known. I get so jealous. It’s great here, but not for someone who does what i do. I have no relatives there. I had an interview and am hoping i start working around here. I don’t really have much but I wanted to ask how should i approach moving to San Diego? ?? I’m way in New Orleans and I am lost. Any help would be appreciated.
wow just reading all this and with my mind already geared toward survival skills for when i move makes all my stuff seem like trash! i have been planning to move to california because it is my destiny. my fiance-to-be is there waiting for me! BUT, i have waaaaaay too much stuff and more stuff. before reading this, i had always been a hoarder, wanting to keep everything, and being an avid crafter, its HARDDDDD! i cant get rid of anything
. maybe some advice to help me let go might help. there are just too many MUST haves. i realize they are just stuff but i cant get rid of it. in my current area its not easy to just sell my collected items or art and i dont trust craigslist. any suggestions?
Two options.-Keep everything you have and take everything to california in a U-haul truck.Keep eveything in a storage unit or rent a house.Second option-take a specific itemized inventory of every single item you have they sell everything before you leave.Now you can travel light and have the cash to repurchase all items when you get situated in California.
I just want to say thanks for posting this blog.. I’ve always dreamed of living there due to the stories i heard from my family. They actually lived there before i was born. I This blog helped me a tremendous amount. I never planned to move with zero dollars, but i wasn’t sure what type of budget i would need. I plan to move close to the end of this year, against my family’s wishes. I feel kinda trapped, and feel that if i don’t get out soon, i’ll be stuck in this horrible tiny town forever. I’ve actually done a bit of research and found a few places that have single apts for cheap and in what seem like nice areas. I would recommend anyone whose trying to move to not rush into buying/renting a 2/3 bdrm apt/home. Also there a (dare i say) rooming houses that offer, reasonable room and board, they have some for males and females, as well as coed houses. I know they aren’t anyones first choice, but it’s definitely a cheap option.
I am looking to relocate to the Oceanside/Temecula area from New Mexico. I have spent time there recently and decided this is where I belong. I’m bringing a college degree, over 20 years work experience and saved about $30k. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!! I am alone in this one. Have distant family in the LA area as well. A friend in Temecula is letting me stay with her till she moves to Texas in the summer. I have to make this move now, as the song says, “This is your time, this is your life.” My kids are grown and on their own and all I have is “me”. I am nervous…..
Wanted to add – I’m driving out there for a couple weeks and while I’m there I plan on visiting the Labor department to get registered there. I’ve already begun distributing my resume at the federal job sites, and plan to follow-up once I’m there. I’ve checked out the rental sites as well, so I’m aware of the high cost of living. Gas prices are high as well, but public transportation is viable. Cost of living vs. salaries seem somewhat comparable. Do I think i’m going to land a job making millions of dollars? No, but it would be great. I would like to believe that my ideas of what I expect vs reality are quite close. I know it won’t be easy, but nothing in life is.
I Am A College Student At Tallahassee Community College And I Plan On Moving To Califrornia, Newyork, or Atlanta To Pursue My Dreams And Go To School. Im Sure It’ll Be Hard But I Think I Can Move Pass It, With A Little Faith And Determination. I’m Just Not Sure Which Way To Turn. I Have A Strong Passion For Acting. Thats Actual My Major “Theatre” I Also Model Print And Runway, I Am An African American Male. I Feel Like Either Place Would Be A Great Place To Support My Dreams. I Just Need Help Or Suggestions And Thoughts From Others.
Please And Thank You.
hey guys I am a guy from from tn and stresses in my life is forcing me too move and I have chossen cali.all I need is a place to stay and ill have a job in a week after I get there but I won’t have but maybe a hundred bucks on me when I get there any suggestions for the san diego area.even homeless shelters or any kind of free housing.any help will be greatly appreciated.
hey joseph, i totally understand how u feel, im living in tennessee as well and wanna move to cali, hope all goes well… if u dont mind hmu on email and share any info u have , not sure if u moved yet or not but it would b kewl to find out
Hi was reading this because I have a very different heart set plan. I’m a 25 year old man and I am going to be taking a solo bicycle journey across the U.S. I’m from Oklahoma and reside there currently. I plan on taking my first route from Oklahoma to California. But I want to do it for a cause as well. So I’ve been offering to help out charities in doing this bicycle ride. You know like wearing their logo’s and passing along a message of support to the people I encounter along the way. I’m not completely broke and I will have some cash to take with me along the way. I also plan to make a video documentary of my travels. Posting it on FB and possibley my own webpage. The reason I looked this up is because I’ve been to Cali before, and though I know the hardships of living in such a place, things like money and such don’t concern me, as long as I’m constantly moving. Maybe I can do quick temporary jobs along the way. I’ll be taking with a bicycle trailer and such maybe possibly a animal companion. I dunno for sure yet. I have this calling in my heart to make this quest. Because if I stay here in this piss ant little town and do nothing, that will be the death of me.
I have son that wants to move to California and he doesn’t have any idea of what it takes to make that kind of move. If you could give me some pointers, it would greatly appreciated.
HEY ,
im josh i currently live in columbus ohio .. i want to move to cali so bad its my dream place ive wanted to buy a bus ticket and just be on my way the temptaion is so hard to resist …. i know knowbody there and i think thats y i like it .. im trred of the same thing every day … i am struggling due to me beaing so nice and i just wnt a break …. are there any tips at all for finding a way to make this happen
Hi Josh, you’re close to me. I really want to know if you moved or not. A followup will be great. Hope all is well.
Terrence,
Hi my name is Shava I have my Masters degree in Public Relations. Tried to move to Cali back in 2007 I was 22 years old. I wanted to persue singing and songwriting. But I ended up moving back to Michigan because I wasn’t finished with school. Since then I’ve lived in Louisiana and Atlanta. Atlanta was cool but it wast where I truly wanted to be. After I finished school I had planned to move to California but people were telling me about the economy being worse there and that it wasn’t a great idea. But I honestly believe that it would be great for networking. And lots of career opportunities with my experience in music writing and marketing. I just want to take the chance and Go. I was looking at North Hollywood and I’ve been saving and I have family there I just need the job opportunity. I’ve been mastering social media marketing and other forms of PR. I guess I writing you to find out where is the best place to look for career opportunities.
Love your post my friend sent this too me earlier today!
I’ve read a great amount of the comments above & I realize that I am just another one of you ! I am 17 years old tomorrow; but ever since i was age 13, I dreamed of living in “Cali” , the big city and do big things. Not for a single day has that dream left my mind. I believe anything is possible if you put your mind to it. I am from rochester new york and there is nothing here worth holding me back. I am ready to leave anything and everything behind. I want to go to college out there but my family doesn’t really have that type of money. I am still young and I want to start making moves NOW so i can be ahead of the game ! weather that means to start saving $ or applying for part time jobs out there… i have not a clue. I am optimistic and open to anything new, i want adventures and stories to tell. If anyone knows sites where i can meet friends from there or to further help me in any way just let me know. At any rate, i am so thankful and glad i found this blog it was exactally what i was looking for and it was a ton of help.
I loved this article – got me thinking about intentional communities as a way to get back to Cali. I am from there and have moved back once which was a fiasco and now am considering going back again as a long-term goal. I am currently in Denver – haven’t worked a regular job for 3 years but I am from Berkeley and I would fit right in there. I just went back for a visit and although the economy sucks I am pretty sure that I could get a job and live out there again – it’s more my style. So I started to look up intentional communities in NoCal and there are alot – many I could live in, I am sure – so that’s what I am going to be investigating for a while.
Well like the rest of you I feel like I need to get away, but I’m in college and planning on finishing up before I move out there. Though I am thinkin of spending a summer out there and of course as a kid always making plans of future roadtrips with friends but they all bailed or lost interest. So I’m leaving later this month, may 24th from South Texas going up to oklahoma city first and then few days later, may 28, gonna head out from oklahoma city to L.A. and well just wanted to see if there are any other people along the way lookin to find a ride and maybe split gas on the way to cali, if so reply to my comment so we can start planning for cali! Haha I’m 19yrs old turning 20 in December, college kid with a car and just looking to get out of my boring life for a while.
This is a cool idea. I envy you having such an opportunity. Unfortunately I’m still in high school and have no time or money to get away.. but I think its awesome that your going to see LA!!! I was wondering if you would be so kind to fill me I on your adventures just so I can see what its like there. reason being; I plan to go there for college and Im sure its very different from here in Rochester New York. think about it & let me know. I’d be delighted to hear your story. if your interested, please email me at adamxperez@gmail.com thanks u !
You don’t need a cell phone or the internet? What are you fuckin crazy? The internet helps you find work and in this day and age a phone is a must. You don’t need the latest iphone but a basic cell is a must. The library closes after a certin hour and having the internet can help you look for work at any given time. Not having a vehical I gotta be honest LA taking the bus is a damn nightmare. You’re better off working out a deal with a car rental place because when renting you’re fully covered with insurance, and repairs. Moving anyplace without a dime is not wise, you become a burden to other people and probably wind up in the wrong crowd all together. I recommend getting $5000-$10000 together and hit the ground running in the job hunt. Get a hospitality job, any city you go there a dime a dozen. You’ll find something. Also to meet people and surround yourself with relatively normal people I would suggest volunteer work with a local organization like “Friends Of The Bay” or if you’re striving in entertainment (which in LA most people are) volunteer at the Sag-Aftra office(if you’re union) meet fellow artists. Try volunteering at a local theatre company or at the LA Zoo. The bar scene can get expensive so volunteering may help you meet people.
I have moved to Ca with little money…Yay! Goal acquired! But, yeah my roomy that I have is a old closeted dude with limited reading ability and very antisocial other than one or two people. Everything that I wanted in a roommate this time around he b.s’ed his way into gaining my trust. Sounds good and all on the phone but in person is another story. The point was to grow and learn for the new roommate about Ca. Basically he strays away from all of it and calls everything B.S. Nice! Good I don’t pay rent yet, til I get a paycheck…Yay! But the job is the same crap I had before. Makes me feel dumb compared to everyone seeming to be into some kind of computer stuff.
The roomy told me to not to buy a car back in va… I didnt and now suffer. Bart is expensive, and you leaving your time up to them. working on the track or delays or whatever else.
4 months being here and I find the people are zombie like. A lot of Asians who can’t really drive like you would want to drive…I mean they have big powered cars and drive like they have a Ford Fiesta. I don’t understand their ways of life either. They seem to be very afraid of everyone that’s not white, no matter how they are dressed. The fashion here is very dark. Once and awhile you’ll see more bright colors. Even on the showroom floor is black, grey, silver and white. One yellow car on the showroom. No Red, blue, or green.
The Gays are not as free as you would think, better than other places but my ear falls off when my gay friends tell me how much non dating goes on. I mean most are lonely, no family etc and they still just hookup. A real stupid thing for battle for marriage if they gays are dating properly. People hand out Condoms like candy…but it should be profiles on other gays looking for a partner. But hey its whatever.
You cannot be naive and slow to be here. You will get left behind. If you are going to go to school that’s good. Or if you are starting a business. But I don’t know where to begin to find a job where I can start clean and get a descent wage to live here. I have to have a degree for the things I want to be. But i have to reexamine them. I’m reading Napoleon Hills book, and I have a long way to go.
I want to move to Los Angeles from Florida. I just have a couple years until I finish my degree in Accounting. I NEED to get out of Florida.
Great information
No money but want to move to califonia.trying my best
ya me anw gord a friend just got laid off from our jobs we got about 1500 so far but i still gotta sell my motorcycle which is like 2000 do u think that is enough o move and does anyone know any small townsdont really like big cities
Yes I have spent countless summers as a kid on the california west coast I know of many town that would be perfect and I have talked to people who live here and have did what we all want to do and that’s move here on know money. I know how to do it and I have a plan I just need two or tree willing people I can trust to make this adventure with. I am actually on vacation for my parents wedding in cayucos right now and its killing me knowing I’m going to have to leave, anyone interested please email me djlangley9@gmail.com
I want to be an actor what to do suggest?
i want to move to Cali or i should say back to cal i have a professional security license and i am missing out on work i cant find work were i am now in seattle and just broke and wasting time im ready to hitch hike to San Fran use my old address get a job stay in a shelter for 2 wk then when i get my first check stay at a hotel then get a apartment in the suburb crazy probably but im tired of this here
Hi everyone, I am 27 and currently living near Knoxville, Tn …I am originally from central Illinois and even though i have lived in TN for the duration of my adult life I just can not get used to the small country life my family lives.It’s always been my dream to move to cali, in recent years San Diego has been on my top list..I am a out gay man and even though I don’t have many issues concerning that here in TN (as I seem to be so straight acting most people don’t even realize Im gay), I just never felt like i belonged, there is very little culture here and Knoxville is just downright boring on most days…my best female friend says she believes I would do great out in cali. I think it’s time I set things up to move. A post i read near the top of this blog by Ananconda suggests that gettin a group of people to move and live with would be more benificial, I am wondering if anyone would be interested in talking and maybe doing this. I have my own vehicle, its a small 2 door chevy cavalier, I have planned on leaving most of belongings behind that aren’t neccesary. My family will store my stuff for me til things get settled. At this point I don’t have any money saved but I’m working on it , I just know this is something I need to do. If anyone would like to discuss the group move , please hmu on email Blueeyeromeo0807@gmail.com …best of luck to everyone.
Hi Everybody,
I’ve been wanting to move to Cali for years now. It’s my dream! I have no idea how to make it happen though… It’s so hard to do it on your own with limited money.. I live in the East Coast (Baltimore). Anyone feels the same way and perhaps wants to make this happen but need someone to do it with?
Life is too short to wish and wonder. You never know if you don’t try. I’m going. Who’s coming with me?
Me! Anyone under the age of 25 who wants to sell everything buy a vw bus and chase their dreams please contact me, I’m miserable on the gulf coast-to-coast djlangley9@gmail.com
Me! Anyone under the age of 25 who wants to sell everything buy a vw bus and chase their dreams please contact me, I’m miserable on the gulf coast-to-coast djlangley9@gmail.com
Hello
I am 42 and have lived in California all of my life. Here is my view of California: If you are rich, you will be happy here. If you are poor, middle-class or even upper-middle class, you will be living a miserable life selling your soul working for the man. You will slave away at a job you hate, every day will be a soul-killing rat-race driving in bumper-to-bumper traffic to get there, and when you finally have some time off you will be pitted against a multitude of people, each vying for the same spot on an overcrowded highway, park, tourist trap or parking space. There is not enough of anything here to go around. Illegals have been breeding like rabbits and want what you have, and will take by any means necessary. California is a lie, it is paradise lost, bought and sold. Money means everything here, love will not get you a cup of water. California is a place to flee from, where your life force is sucked out of you everyday by the crime, the noise, the abject poverty, the crowds, the bums, gangs, people literally dying on street corners, corporations kill you. I have been trying to escape for a while now.
My advice to all, stay where you are. It is like the Grapes of Wrath story where the Joads kept trying to get to California and met others trying to escape so they could die back at home. Don’t do it.
Im older now and I have this dream of living in san diego and just biking around the beach and starting my own business. I know in the begining it will be a task and im ready for whatever it takes. Would anybody be willing to share expeneses for the first 6 months and than see he how it goes from there. I think with the right attiude and persistance we can achieve our goals, If anybody is seriously interested in doing this, I would be willing to chat with you. I want to move after 12/30/2012.
I also want to note that Im not going for a vacation. Im going to be very busy from day one trying to find work and start making money
Hope to hear from anyone who is serious and would like to be part of this plan
Contact me at joe__4@hotmail.com
im so ready to move money is so tight i love water califorina is the place for me
i dont have a plan im gona need a job i love working out side flowers and planting is my specialty so if you want to share your space with me let me know i will be ready for relocation after june 30th 2012 hope to hear from you soon contact me at takemeserious@msn.com
Hello Everyone,
I want to thank all of you,especially Terrance for your words of knowledge. I fell in love with California many years ago and have decided to make a move. I am an artist by nature,singing,writing songs,poems and short stories. I want to see the beaches on a regular basis and go to the farmers market. I am not looking for fame and fortune. I just want to live an area where the weather is nice all year around,fish,sing songs,work and grow my own food someday.
I have over 12yrs of Customer Service Call Center experience and there appears to be an abundance of customer service jobs in California period,per my research. I would not mind traveling with a group of people to the sunny state. I understand that there will be some obstacles,but to me this trip would be worth it.
If anyone has other helpful tips please share them musicandpoetry332000@yahoo.com
Thank you all so much
@David N.:
I can understand a lot of what you’ve mentioned. I visited Los Angeles for the first time a few years back and loved every moment of it more for the CHANGE OF LOCATION (I’m originally from the Carolinas) than anything else! Sure, the traffic sucked, but where doesn’t it?!! I loved the energy, the change, the pace, the spread out valleys and different things to do/places to go! The only thing, personally, that holds me back is not having the money saved to “afford” to live anywhere in the area. In addition, I don’t have a specialized skill as far as a field of work (i.e. doctor, lawyer, military) that would even come close to a decent income. Office/administrative support work just doesn’t cut it these days – and sadly, that’s what I do.
In addition, I have 10+ years professional experience in modeling and have an amazing talent in front of the camera, but I think I just have a fear of failing or “not making it” in the industry because I’ve worked around it already for so long in a smaller city and I’ve seen/experienced how fickle, fake/superficial, and FOS people can be to get WHAT they want and WHERE they want! AKA: USERS!!!!! I hate that about the industry, but it’s pretty much unavoidable. I’m afraid my being REAL and too NICE/GENUINE is going to place me in the percentage of people who don’t make it in the industry for doing what’s right vs. what’s wrong.
Thoughts???
Dear anyone who wants to move with not a lot of money,
I read this blog probably about six months ago from Michigan. I have my cosmetology license in Michigan and was working at a salon for about nine months and was bored and sick of the small town I lived in and most of the people in it. Now I’ve been living in San Diego California for four months now, didn’t visit, just went as soon as I saved up about 2 grand. (I moved when I was 19 also) First off, my parents wouldn’t let me take my car so my best friend drove me out here and dropped me off with a couple I met on craigslist. I must have gotten extremely lucky because they let me use one of their cars whenever. Anyways I pay around $500 a month for a room in this house in a ghettoish area BUT my roommates have Rottweilers so it’s ok. Now after two months of living here I almost had to pack up and go home, literally was about to buy the plane ticket but then my roommates said I could help them with things and they would pay me here and there until I found something else. Well its been four months and I haven’t. Now I’m kind of just stuck with enough money to get by and although my roommates are very nice, things are rough. Not to mention I haven’t met many nice welcoming people here either. Not sure why but I’ve found the east coast to be a lot nicer and here everyone is rude, and far as service goes, you can never understand them and they barely ever check on you plus the food is always thrown together even when their not even busy. The famous attractions are cool to visit but the whole “you could run into a celebrity here” thing gets old and annoying. I think things would be a lot better if I met some decent people I would like to hang out with but its been very hard to trust anyone. I think it’s something to do with the way east coast people are raised vs. west coast. The traffic also sucks because at home I was used to going ten miles in about 10-15 minutes anytime, now its figure out what highway and exits to take and where to go plus traffic which can be anywhere from 10-15 minutes to an hour or more to go 3-5 miles. Not to mention THEN you have to drive around until you find a decent parking spot. For this reason exactly I’m really not to fond of LA. I definitely like Northern California better although the beaches are not as nice. Anyways the end to this story is I’m going to try to stick it out for a year and if I’m still not having it, then I’ll move some place else, might even go back. I do miss the CLEAN Northern Michigan Lakes thats for sure. My advice is to move out here with someone you know and trust, have a job lined up if at all possible, and of course save a lot more money then I did because being broke in California is NOT fun. Also, if anyone else has any advice for me, are in the same position as me, or would like to ask me anything please email me at wtaylor149@gmail.com because I would be more than happy to talk.
Is everyone for real? I have been thinking about this for quite a while, i live in Connecticut, just lost my job and cant find work. As a female i felt unsafe and confuse about such a move not knowing anyone out there. If there is a group that is serious about this please let me know the details.i am a cosmetologist, cna, experience baby nurse, and years of nannying. i’m hoping i can find something out there.
charm21137@yahoo.com
We hear a lot about the amount of money.It is not the amount that matters.It is how we use it.A person making minimum wage can do very well by appropriating the money properly and prioritizing for needs and wants.Conversely,a person who has a lot of money,with improper money management could be in dires straits in a relatively short period of time.Of course their is a minumum rock bottom cost to everything that is inescapable.Even homeless street people cannot survive with no money.This means compromising status and prestige et cetera for true needs and wants(adam smiths triangle).Volunteer work can be very rewarding and we can turn the tables from being reactive to proactive,Thus when we are in need of housing and employment we can get involved with actually helping others achieve these needs.We can also offer to work free for one week to get our foot in the door.Another option is to offer a finders fee or placement fee if someone hooks you up.just a few ideas and thank you to terrance and others for very helpful and useful ideas.May everyone get a place and occupation or business of your dreams.
I’m moving to California In October into a guest bedroom with strangers, My best friend already lives in California, Yet she’s been having some tough times semi , But we’re all about HUSTLE and Making thing’s happen within a nic of time, I Don’t have any jobs lined up yet do to me not having an Address yet , But she and I are setting a plan for work and 3 month’s to have it all together, My advice is EVERYONE is going to have arough times, no matter where you live Chicago, and New York, Is Just As Expensive to live If It’s not in a Terrible neighborhood (Meaning If it’s not a ghetto) Then yeah your gonna have it rough, But thing’s take time and Patience , EVERYTHING, ANYTHING YOU DO NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO LIVE, WHAT YOU DO It takes Patience . Trust God Work HARD and HUSTLE
Awesome advice. I think people are getting so caught up on all the negative things and are failing to realize there are struggles with every BIG move in life, but you work hard and get over it! I admire you and your friends for at least trying and not being discouraged.
Anyone still going out there? I hear all kinds of good and bad things, but I still want to leave Iowa and find what I really love, and where. Santa Cruz or somewhere nice in Calirnornia. Hit me up if you’re thinkin’ the same thing.
one1movie@yahoo.com
My 17 year old daughter and I would like to move to California somewhere between LA and Anaheim but not sure where to start. What are the least expensive and safe areas to consider?
Has anyone noticed that all the comments of people wanting to go to California so bad are mostly female names and probably the liberal type living in over conservative populated area who have no dedicated income of their own?
It’s amazing how California is one of the most overpriced states with it’s horrible gas prices and the amount that state tax takes out of your income yet people without any real jobs don’t understand this.
In California your rent, utilities, gas, food, taxes, milk, bars, popcorn, and everything else but avocados goes up!!
People, If you make real money in another state, don’t go to California. Whether you are a software engineer, lawyer, police officer, or a sales person, California will take (do some Google searches on state tax) the money you make and give it to the poor people who want to go to California because they hate their small towns or want “adventure” because they don’t know what adventure is or the ability of making a living for themselves.
If you needed to go to your hospital. California will be in a hurry to make sure you aren’t too comfortable. Also don’t forget about the court systems in California and the $400 red light tickets and $350 speeding tickets in case you do happen to break a traffic law.
If you left California and you miss your family and friends then tell them THEY should move out of California. Don’t go backwards in your life into making less money just because you want to be near family. Otherwise you might as well continue being a kid.
I hate southern states too and certain red states as well but I’m not a redneck just as much as I am not a hippie liberal. I make money to support myself and my family. Whether I do that locally or remotely I am still someone who can take care of business. Party later when you have more money in the bank to relax. You can always celebrate later.
Sure you can get hit by a bus tomorrow but you can also have a lot of money in your savings a few years from now too. If you’re dead, you won’t care about what you missed out on. If you’re alive you do care about how much money you have.
For those who say “it’s not about money” then it sure does seem like it is when you don’t have it or nobody gives you any.
Im 33 my husband is 36 we have 5 childreb ranging fromm 15-6 and we r planning on moving to Cali.. He has family there. We are selling everything and starting over once we get there.. We will have 3000 to work with when we go. Also we will have Section 8 voucher which will help greatly with rent…Do you think this is a wise choice to move and take a chance?
It’s a terrible idea.
There are NO JOBS in Cali, and everything, including rent and food,
is 25% more expensive here than comparable items everywhere else.
Also, you will actually get paid less for the same job in California than you would in Minnesota or Iowa.
With a family of 7, you will go through $3000, even without rent, in 3 months.
If you must live in the Southwest, Arizona is a better deal, much more affordable,
more job possibilities, everything is new and efficient out there, including schools, and you’d still be in proximity to California.
I am interested in moving to California, ideally to the San Francisco area. I’m really a big-city person and need to live in an international city that is culturally diverse. I’ve lived in Tokyo for 8 yrs and in Italy for a couple years and have moved around within the U.S. Since Hurricane Katrina destroyed my place in New Orleans I’ve moved several times and have yet to settle down in the right city that suits me. I have a background in International sales, fashion, IT, and have had my own business. I have a diverse set of skills and my background is more suited to an international city. I love the Berkeley area of San Francisco! Willing to listen to any ideas and willing to cooperate and team up with others in order to get myself to California. I started forming a business in Dallas and was living with someone who supported my dreams and who paid the bills however this person suddenly had to move overseas and my support vanished. With my plan disrupted I had to move to El Paso and have rented an apt with a friend who lives here. This way my expenses are reduced but now i’m stuck in another provincial town feeling out of place like I landed on Mars. My e-mail address is karenmaria1@yahoo.com. I’m an attractive older woman (used to be a fashion model for a decade in America and abroad). I’m also very intuitive and seek to live my life in a conscious way keeping to a spiritual path (hope that makes sense). Thanks!
Karen:
Whatever you want to do in San Francisco, you can do the same thing in Texas.
San Francisco is one of the most, if not the most, expensive place in the USA to live.
Also, there is a job crunch up there.
Stay where you are.
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I have been interested in moving to California for quite a time now, but I don’t think I can do it alone.. I’m also from Norway, so it would be expensive for me to get there… I need to make some contacts before I can go, someone I can trust and can do this with me..
When arriving, I would be looking for a job and try to make some money to make a living.
21 ,Girl, Norway
Norway Girl:
There are no jobs in California.
It is also terribly expensive to live here.
If you want a great quality of life in the warm weather and a low cost of living,
try the American South.
my name is Anthony…I stumbled upon this post because iam moving to san diego in february after i get my income tax money (3 grand approx)…I am 26 and just ready for a change from va beach..if people are serious about helping one another iam def interested and can assist
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I admire your comment! I think we all need to help each other and STOP discouraging each other! If it’s suppose to work it will, if not something else will work out later.
Norway girl
I live in central california and I like yourself have been thinking about moving to San Diego for about 2yrs. Ive come to the conclusion that anyone can do it if they make the proper adjustments and have patience. If you really want to make something happen in your life, than dont listen to what others tell you. Dont let anyone tell you that you cant do it! EVER!. You just have to follow your heart sometimes and great things can happen when you do.I would suggest making a plan to visit San Diego with the idea, if you like it, than while your there, pickup the newspaper and look for jobs. Sometimes believe it or not theres jobs in the paper that are not online. Also it goes with saying you have to have or be close to an internet connection for job postings on line as well.Things are not going to be perferct in the beginning but little by little you will learn and start to feel like its your home! I know from personal experience that It can be done and so I just wanted to say to you and everyone else that there will be sacrifices in the beginning but when you will look back on your decision to move years from now ,you wont have any regrets
So Plan your trip as a visit and if you like it there than I know you will be able to make it happen
God Bless!
Im a 17 year old kid who is about to move to california with my best friend who is 17. all by ourselves. we have money. but we dont have a place to live once we get there. our plan is to just get there, bum it out of a week or so and find ANY job that anyone will offer us. save up. get a place to stay of our own. and start over……. Advice? (Only comment with actually advice on what to do and where to go. NOT NEGATIVITY. Our minds and hearts are set. dont comment telling us to stay home or not move there. Because its too late for that. We’re definitely moving to long beach or san diego regardless.)
THANKS !
yo ill do it with u boys ill bum it out till we get a place
Bumming it out for a while is cool but one way to accelerate things is to set a goal of going Straight into a place on day one(is this positive)Yes but the only realistic way of doing this is to rent a room from someone for first and deposit.now you have a place to stay on the busline or very near downtown area where you can walk everywhere.Now since almost all jobs are virtually and essencially the same(revenue)start looking from nearest to where you live and work outward.Being employed closest to home is very important in order to avoid commuting thus saving time and converting this to making more money.Squeezing things down like this will make your efforts most effective and try to choose a job that you consider to be somewhat fun to extend job longevity since you will look forward to going there everyday.Good Luck in your pursuits
my name is Anthony…I stumbled upon this post because iam moving to san diego in february after i get my income tax money (3 grand approx)…I am 26 and just ready for a change from va beach..if people are serious about helping one another iam def interested and can assist
yeah anthony thats true if people are serious in helping one and another im happy to help aswell as i want to move to San Diago
HI Anthony,
I am waiting for my taxes also and want to move in Feb as well. I am 30 yrs old and going out there to help my boyfriend, but he is living with family and I cant stay there. So, if you would like to maybe exchange info we can talk about possibly helping eachother out. I know a few ppl out there, just no one I can stay with, but I will have enough $ when I get there to figure something out. Let me know. Good luck!! =) msnikkivalentine@gmail.com
I just ran across your blog today. I’m wanting to move to California next fall when my boyfriend moves out of his parents’ house to pursue his masters degree. Unfortunately, in february, I have to move into my own apartment. Right now my bills are like $40 and I’m living rent free with three roommates. It’s an ideal situation, but my job only pays $8/hr and i’m working 40 hrs a week. I can’t job hop (it looks bad on my resume), but in February, I’m going to be spending a lot of money to live here on my own (close to $500/month which is only going to save me about $500/month).
I’m unsure of how to go about getting out there. I have a bachelor’s degree in Psychology, but jobs are hard to come by without having a higher degree.
I’m not running away from my current city, I’m specifically going there for my boyfriend. If he didn’t live in California, I would NEVER pursue a life there (not that it isn’t a culturally rich place or anything, it’s just too expensive to survive there).
I don’t have a lot of money saved unfortunately because I only seriously started considering the move two weeks ago. I can probably have $1000 saved by February but I’ll have to have that put into getting out on my own.
What can you suggest for my specific situation?
By the way… I have a dog and a cat too… =/
Im am thankful for this posting.I am 27 years old married with 3 children, and will be relocating back to l.a on the end of dec without my family until im better situated. Ive been in nc for about 15 years. It has been a huge learning experience for me here on the east coast, now its time to enjoy the rest of my life.I have a job now in the hospitality field but have put my notice of leave in already.I am working very hard at landing a job before I get to l.a, and I understand hiring a person who lives 3000 miles away with no college degree is (almost) impossible.. I really need to physically be there to make things complete. I have family there but im not looking to lean towards them at all for housing or finances.Im looking to eventually get into law enforcement there.. its all up to me. Its kindof like im challenging myself to man up or something. Thank you for this post
Hi, Im 29 and I am planning to move to California by this time next year. I would like to save enough money so I can be alright for at least 6 months. I believe by 6 months I should have at least found a descent job and a descent place to live. At that time I can start working on my career, that is one of the reasons I want to move I believe I can advance in my career there instead of here or NY. I am originally from NY but now live in Pa, and I find I could not work on my career like I needed to. NY I was really distracted I was always partying and drinking and I end up dropping out of school. Now in Pa Im lonely and depress and I dont feel like I will make it here. I have held good jobs in both states. I believe if I can make it as far as I did in these states maybe I can make it in Cali but without being distracted and depress. Need some advise on how to make this move work for me without being in a situation like I am now…Tired of moving and not having a career…
Hi! I’m currently living in MD. I’m also looking to take the big leap and move to Cal. I just read your post. I want to know if you made it there?!?? If so, was the move successful? Do you have any tips? I’d like to hear about the journey.
Or anyone else that has moved under the situation!
@sweekly00@student.coppin.edu
hi.please i want to move to California but i have no money.please i need help from you.
please do something for me please.
THANK YOU
Moving to Cali with just a 1000$ I need some help
Getting to my girlfriend
Need to get a place to stay and ill fun work just need to get a apartment and I got a 1000$ for that
What about the next month, what about food expenses? What about transportation
Do not need help finding work
Kashan, you want to at least save up to $3000 or more if you could. You’ll have a very difficult time and will most likely struggle paying off your bills.
Ok so im leaving New York and jumping on a bus to Los Ageles, California on Jan 1st. I have just me and a backpack. Im going with very little money and I would like to know who would like to travel with me and be friends. Maybe I can meet some new people when I get there, maybe show me around alittle. I have no place to go or anything so any help would be greatly appreciated. Again im going totally along so if anyone is leaving buffalo, ny and headed that way a ride would be nice. If not maybe someone can join me along my journey and we could take a bus there. I have no plans for when I get there…just to make it and start a new life and new beginnings. Im so ready im excited. I cant wait to get out there and make things a reality. So if your interested and serious and wanna join me plz email me at lostdoggs101@gmail.com
Dude, don’t do the
“moving to Los Angeles with just a backpack and start a new life”
bullshit.
Many have tried, but a fraction succeed.
Plan your life a little bit.
Whatever problems you had in Buffalo, New York will follow you to California,
only they’ll be 10 times worse.
If you must move, why not try someplace closer to New York in case it doesn’t work out?
People please stop expecting a miracle. You can’t go to California JUST because! One of the most expensive states to live in and you’re going without money..?! Don’t forget this is reality. You can’t live in your dreams and suddenly expect a miracle. Where are you going to live? How will you find a job? You NEED a home to even have one! Do you have goals set? Are you willing to go through the worst of the worst to get what you want? Think about it. Be smart. Gain some money, save, and when you’re ready, MOVE. But all of this takes time and patience.
If there are people willing to group up and work their best together, please let me know. I live in Florida, planning on moving during the Summer. I have already begun my savings and will eventually sell ALL of my belongings to afford this trip/costs. I’m a self-employed model. Want to relocate to LA. I have several contacts, etc. Is anyone willing?
im willing
Email me @Rahshena_young@yahoo.com I’m willing to do it. I have money saved up and still more to come. All I need is someone who’s willing to go on this jorney with me.
Same here! I want move out there work for a year and then go to grad school for marketing. Do u still want to go?!???
sweekly00@student.coppin.edu
Hi. I have a question about job applications out there in California. Do they ask “Have you ever been convicted” yada yada or do they ask “In the past 7 years, have you been convicted” yada yada? The problem with life I’m having is that in 2000 I sucker punched a skin-head neo nazi at a bar for calling a hispanic girl a certain bad word. I knocked out his teeth, then kicked his nose and it popped like a tomato. Never saw it coming.
Anywho, now I have a misdemeanor assault conviction and in Texas, there’s no way to expunge it. So I’m having trouble finding employment. California is listed here (http://www.spiritllc.biz/stateswithsevenyearlimitations2) as a state where they can’t check beyond 7 years into your criminal past. What has your experience been for background checks and denial of employment based on criminal record? What questions do they ask on applications? Do employers adhere to the rule? Texas has a law, but no employers pay any attention to it because in Texas, they love nothing more than to make criminals pay forever and ever.
dear terrance
i have read literally every comment over the past few days and have read all the above desription i really want to move to CA from the UK but its hard scary and im goin to be by my self and like melissa said i will do anything for work just need a helping hand so my question to you is how can a boy from england skip across the pond n start a better life in a better place. even if it means bein a skivvy till i get sorted anything is possible right? how would you do it if you were me and how quick cause i need to move asap to be honest
Hi all,
I just want to throw it out there that I am moving to the San Bernardino, CA area at the end of January/beginning of Feb. I have enough money saved up to last me at least a couple months, but I was just wondering if there is anyone that is already in that area that would either a)be willing to rent me a room for cheap just for a couple months till I could get my own place…and b) if anyone knew of any bartending/serving/restaurant jobs that they might be able to help me get into. I have my own vehicle, am very responsible, and have a pretty solid resume and references. Any leads or advice would be appreciated. Thanks!! =) msnikkivalentine@gmail.com
Aright if people are really trying to go lemme know email me at mlombardo199@yahoo.com ill drive I don’t care I’m 21 from Long Island ny I’m ready to leave and start a new life
Me and my wife are wanting to move from New Mexico to san Diego California. We have three dogs and if someone can help me by letting me know how much we will need to save to move out there that would help a million. jlaaromero@Yahoo.com
Hey,
I have been doing some research on moving to california and i came across this blog and seen that a lot of people were looking into doing the exact thing i want to do.. I was wondering, did anyone ever group up? how did it go with connections etc and did you get any news or feedback from anyone who posted on that blog at all?
Im a 20 year old currently living in nb Canada and i do have a steady income for now. Still not that much saved, but in the upcoming months, id be looking into moving possibly to Cali.. I like san diego or orange county… somewhere with pleasant weather, reasonable living prices and for some reason san diego always stood out to me.
Thats a little about me for now.. Im not really much of a blog poster but ive seen some posts from people who did seem serious and am wondering how it is going for them now and if its reasonable for me to be thinkign in doing the same? possibly in grouping up as well, if that ever came real?? if anyone has tips or connections that could maybe help me out ie. for living, job searching etc.. i would definatly take you up on that offer or atleast start with getting some info.. also im wondering, (not sure if anyone can actually help me with this but) im a travel agent and am wondering how the travel business goes down there? i also have worked hospitality for a long time from restaurants to hotels and also retail and farm labour work.. i dont mind doing any kind of landscaping job either if thats what it takes.. i guess what im asking is, anyone have connections or tips for any of those sectors and what do the wages look like for this down there?
Thanks!
San Diego and Orange County have some of the highest cost of living
(rent, gas, food) in the United States.
They do not have “reasonable living prices”.
Sigh, please do some research before you all go there, lots of companies are moving out from california. Only part -timers there nowadays. Hate to see you go there and be all bump out for nothing. Good Luck :/
I’m 20 years old and from Michigan. I really want to get out of the state. I’ve outgrown it. Michigan is the only place I’ve lived as well as my family from what my grandma tells me. I think they’re scared of trying something new. I want to break the tradition, but my family is saying that Cali is no place for a young girl with no family or friends. I’ve been saving up for about a year or so. California has been my dream. I’m so scared but I don’t want to end up stuck here like my family for generations. Can anyone please give me words of advice. Please!!
Yes, I have words of advice.
Your family is right on all counts.
California is no place for anybody without family or friends.
It is an unfriendly, cliquish, transient state, with few jobs and high living expenses.
Your family is not “scared of something new”,
they are long established in their neck of the woods,
the Great State of Michigan.
Don’t so quickly dismiss your previous “generations”, they knew much that you don’t.
My advice is figure out what your career is, establish yourself in that career
in Michigan, then, when you are between 25-30, and have traveled around the USA a bit, make a decision on where you want to settle.
You will realize California is no Shangri-La.
I live in Ct. been here my whole life.I was gonna move to LA in 2003 (but a couple of deaths happened and my sister moved back here) Ive been looking for jibs in my field but will take anything to get the hell outta this snobbish state..im 33 w/no kids no wife no girlfriend..I know i would be happier out west..if anyone wants to share or whatever hit me up.pauly7917yahoo.com…this is a def.for me ,no matter what part of Ca.im in.
Hello all! To anyone that is interested, I am very supportive of people up and leaving their current living situation to follow their dreams, experience something new, different, exciting, and/or purposeful. I have a one bedroom apartment with little furniture and would be willing to have some strangers/guests lol come live with me temporarily! I wish you all the best and God Bless you. Sincerely, Pernisha! Ps. I’m in Inglewood California by Ladera Heights, Culver City, Westchester! I also have an ad on craigslist where you can view pics and get to know more about me (Los Angeles Area, Awesome Roommate wanted $750/month)- disregard the ad.
Hello I ama 29 year old black woman who is very educated but can not find a piece of ajob in small town family owned nc. I am smart,educated , pretty,single, no kids,and I amready to pursue my goals in california my dream state.I am coming to pursue my career in late august i plan on styaing in the hostels but my move can be easier if I stay with a person who can show me aroung los angeles. I amgoing to pursue a career in the california justice department and apply for some writing jobs. I will be arriving in los angeles by train amtrack. Iam excited but nervous at the same time. Yes I need helpeveryone does. please email meat justice2302003@yahoo.com
Hello all! To anyone that is interested, I am very supportive of people up and leaving their current living situation to follow their dreams, experience something new, different, exciting, and/or purposeful. I have a one bedroom apartment with little furniture and would be willing to have some strangers/guests lol come live with me temporarily! I wish you all the best and God Bless you. Sincerely, Pernisha! Ps. I’m in Inglewood California by Ladera Heights, Culver City, Westchester! I also have an ad on craigslist where you can view pics and get to know more about me (Los Angeles Area, Awesome Roommate wanted $750/month)- disregard the ad. Oh, you can also add me on FaceBook
I’m the one with the Queen Pic for African American History Month (Black lips, makeup, yada yada lol)
Hey guys/ladies!
I’m going back and forth reading all of (or most of) your posts and replies. Many of you have tons of negative remarks about California, and some positive. I’m going to quickly give you my perspective. LA is NOT perfect PERIOD! There are challenges with every BIG move you make in life. As with every single financial change, the more money you have the easier, the less money the more financially challenging. However, if you are willing to BUST your a** a little and make things happen for yourself then EVERYTHING WILL work out if it’s SUPPOSE to! Many of you are using discouraging words for people who are trying to follow their dreams and it is so unhealthy for the mind. We should be trying to help, inspire, and support one another regardless of our backgrounds. I’ve been in LA all of my life; I am young, African American female, no college degree, and still have a car, a job, great friends I trust, and a very positive attitude. My life in LA isn’t perfect, but neither is life anywhere else! Be willing to make some sacrafices. Be willing to make some serious adjustments. Be willing to see how brave you are from most people surrounding you. If all else fails, you can always GO BACK to wherever you came from, and then you can do what most Americans CAN’T say they did… which is TRY!
I sincerely wish you all the best and God Bless. ~Pernisha G.
Hello, your advice was informative.
Here’s the deal with me. Alright, I’m 17, but I’ll be 18 in April.
I want to go to school for Graphic Design, I’ve read many articles on how California is a good place for that field. Now, before you shake your head no, I KNOW that you don’t just GET jobs. It takes time and patience. I KNOW that this field, like many others can be a little competitive. But that’s not the point.
I am concerned about supporting myself. My best friend lives in Buena Park; near orange county I believe. Anyway, her family is kindly taking me in and will allow me to live there until the both of us, or rather I, finish college. We’re going to the same one.
I have little support from my family. My mother refuses to teach me how to drive, first of all, and she’s not helping me pay for college, so I will have to take loans no matter where I go and will have to walk and use public transportation, which I don’t mind.
I’m trying to get a part time job, to save up a little money until I go there in the summer.
I want to help out my friends family for taking me in.
Yes, I am going because I don’t like where I am. But also, it will be something new for me. To meet new people, to experience new things. It’s going to be hard but that’s true anywhere. I’m going to make something of myself and learn whether it be good or bad. I know for sure, every bad experience doesn’t mean the end.
I’m not irresponsible, albeit, I have made stupid choices.
Will it be difficult to find a part time job? What are my chances of success there?
I lived in California, San Diego to be exact. Loved it, very beautiful, BUT, expensive. After seven years, I still thought it was beautiful, still was renting, no good jobs. Finally I got tired of it. Not worth living in a cubicle to be close to the beach. The water is always cold and the weather is NOT what you think. Here is a lowdown, they call May, May-Gray, June is called, June-Gloom, why? Two months of cloudy, so depressing. Middle of July it is finally decent weather, August and September is the best. Two summers that I lived there I wore shorts about twice, felt like I got jipped out of a summer. Never cold, never hot, so if you like this, you might like it there, good jeans and t-shirt weather. Now on to living. Most people have two or three roommates. Gas is expensive, food is expensive, and rent is VERY expensive. Crappy places charge $1500 a month. If you can live without a washer/dryer in your place, the lowest is $1200, unless you want to live away from the beach, then maybe $1000/mo. Unless you get roommates! A lot of places do not allow pets, especially by the beach. They do charge pet rent. My friend pays $700/mo for a cubicle, it was a garage converted into an apartment. It is a dump and she hates it, but it is in California. I got tired of it, I moved to Arizona. It is driving distance to California, great weather all year round, guaranteed summer and it is affordable. You can actually save to own a house! Guess what, you can save enough to own a house and maybe get yourself a small condo in San Diego if you really want to visit there, a lot cheaper than renting a condo. Not that I am trying to sell you on Arizona, but you can get a lot of house for your money, and have some property without having your neighbors looking through your window and getting in your business. One last thing about San Diego, the acoustics of apartments and condos is terrible! You can hear everything, so if you do move there, make sure you are on the top floor or mark my words, you will be miserable! I moved because I wanted a house, I was so tired of living in a 700 square foot rented condo for $1500 a month, 8 minutes from the beach. I felt cramped and was so busy trying to afford to live that I hardly ever got to the beach, that was only 8 minutes away. NOT worth it!!
One last thing, someone asked about jobs, yes it is VERY hard to find any good jobs because there are so many people living in California, the competition is fierce. If you want a part time job, try Trader Joes, Petco, Petsmart, REI, retail jobs at the mall. BUT, they do not pay very much to live and you will need a roommate! They do not pay more money to live in California, the joke is that Californians get paid in Sunshine dollars! I have three degrees, I got offered $12/hr to work at a job that required a degree, I told them that was not enough money to afford to live in San Diego. My parents had to give me side cash to afford to live there. So unless you are an engineer, doctor, lawyer, nurse or anesthesiologist, or getting offered at least $80K, think twice, unless you don’t mind struggling to live!
I have a Bachelor of Arts in Communication, one year experience as a Production Assistant in Publishing and $10,000 saved up. I currently live in Boston, MA and am planning to move to Los Angeles, CA in a month to pursue a career in Television. I want to be a Producer in hopes of creating TV shows.
I’m 24 and am applying to multiple jobs online wondering if I should wait until I hear from them or move to L.A. in hopes of finding a job then? Right after graduating college I found it rather difficult to find employment but thankfully I did and am grateful, but Boston has nothing I am looking for and the weather here is horrible.
I suppose I’m looking for advice, how does one obtain a job before actually living in L.A.?
Thanks!
just to let you all know, because of this california blog, i have found it much easier to be savvy about my money and let go of so much stuff when it comes to trying to move to CA from all the way on the east coast. i will be moving to the Ventura area in 5 weeks, and surprisingly saved alot so far with all the things i learned from reading other peoples experiences here for about a year now. i am trying to currently find the very cheapest way to move my little amount of stuff i have left. seriously considering having them shipped (DVDs, books, clothes, etc). i have no furniture as im moving in with my boyfriend. anyone here thinking about Ventura please contact me. id like to make some friends along the way if i can.
Negative much, Terrance?
Wow I really enjoyed reading this blog I came across it because I typed in should I move back to cali I took that leap of faith 8 years ago when I left NY and moved to northern california ended up in san francisco first 9 mos then moved to san jose weather is perfect there for me I lost my job due to outsourcing to mexico after I lost the job began talking to family and friends on the east coast who convinced me that it was time I came back to be closer to them big mistake I have been here 3 weeks drove across the country took me close to 4 days of non stop driving just stopping to fill up the tank and restroom stops and now I am planning my trip back home to cali yes the last 8 years wasnt always easy but it became home to me and pittsburgh is not where I want to be the first time I went to ca li
I had little money but was lucky enough to find a job within 6 weeks good luck everyone I cant wait to get back
Me my girlfriend and two other friends are moving out to Oceanside, CA in august I have about 4 grand saved and will be spliting a three bedroom house with my girlfriend and our friends. We are all still in college (community college) but will not be able to find a decent job until graduated. Ive been looking up temp agencys and cant figure out how to submit an application to one of them without an address to enter for out there. Any suggestions on the best way to get started working as soon as i get out there?
i live in columbia sc and its always been my dream to move to la to start my carrer n music , danceing, acting and modeling but because i cant move, is because of finacial promblems, im 17 years old iv been dreaming this since i was 6, im young but i wanna start my carrer now whhile i can , im looking for a roomate i will pay rent, contact me : email: odesserboyd@hotmail.com or i sugeest call : 803 7716110, leave a message if no awnser, please anyone this would be the best thing that ever happnd to me
Hi my name is gerri, 22 y/o trying to get out of jacksonville fl. I hate it here!!! im trying to move out in feb and become something greater than myself in califorina. ive started saving but me moving alone wont get me very far. i have a car just need good people to start my journey with. If you want to talk more about moving with me pls email me! beachlovex0@yahoo.com! thanks!
Attn Sir/Madam,
Good day, I am Mr. Peter Nelson, And I work with United Foundation Security Company Limited, (Accra-Ghana), Also I am in charge of our Security Warehouse, where all Treasure Boxes are being kept. as matter of fact last month the 21st Of April 2013, I discovered Three trunk boxes deposited under our custody by late (DR.DARRA JAMES RAJ) who was an (INVESTOR) Also he was from (NEW ZEALAND), and two of the trunk boxes contain 200 Kilograms of gold, while the other one contains USD $100 Million. And i have gone through Investigation, and after my final investigation I now understood that these trunk boxes had been deposited In this company since June 4 1992, which non of the Deceased family or relative have appeared since then to claim these boxes out of this Company.
There is a deal here if you have an interest, please get back to me quickly so that i will fully update you with the full information that will be required from you, so that this fund and the gold can be moved out of this company without any problems.
and do you agree with me that immediately this transaction went successfully 20% of total amount involve will be donate to the charity and disable organization?.
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I am waiting to hear from you soon.
Kind regards,
Mr. Peter Nelson.